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RE: Print merge question ("RodmanG" <RodmanG@mac.ripon.edu>)
Please explain "save large clipboard" message ("Karen Moncrief \"Sr User
 Services Consultant\"")
Re: WORD-MAC digest 283 (umbaugh@uta.edu (Dave Umbaugh))
RE: PostScript and EPS in Word 5.1a (David Carson <dcarson@microsoft.com>)
inserting paragraphs before a table work-around (RWALKER@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU)
Create/Edit Annotation Marks in Word 5.1a? (Torsten Heycke
 <heycke@camis.stanford.edu>)
RE Editing/Creating Annotation Marks in Word 5.1a (Torsten Heycke
 <heycke@camis.stanford.edu>)
Word List (Brian C Smith <bcsmith@parc.xerox.com>)
Troff -> MS Word conversion (jim@phri.nyu.edu (Jimmy Kyriannis))
PC Word 6 to Mac Word 5 (kriss@AUSTIN.LOCKHEED.COM (R M Kriss))
Word 5 vs EPS (Danny Thomas <D.Thomas@vthrc.uq.edu.au>)

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Date: 18 Mar 1994 13:25:46 U
From: "RodmanG" <RodmanG@mac.ripon.edu>
To: word-mac@alsvid.scu.edu.au
Subject: RE: Print merge question
Message-ID: <199403181926.AA20568@alsvid.scu.edu.au>

re: Print Merge and Italics? (Jethro Miller <jeth@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu>)

To format merge printed text, the formatting must be part of the MERGE
document, not the DATA document.  So, for example, if you want the field
<<journal name>> to be italicized, apply the italics format to <<journal name>>
 in
the merged document.  It doesn't matter how the data itself is formatted.

Gary S. Rodman              o     Ripon College
RodmanG@admin.ripon.edu     o     P.O. Box 248
(414)748-8343               o     Ripon, WI 54971 USA

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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:58:44 -0600 (CST)
From: "Karen Moncrief \"Sr User Services Consultant\""
To: word-mac@alsvid.scu.edu.au
Subject: Please explain "save large clipboard" message
Message-ID: <01HA4DWV4OHE0018DA@GAMMA.IS.TCU.EDU>

Could someone please explain why I sometimes get a "Save large clipboard"
 message
while working with Microsoft Word?

Thanks,
Karen Moncrief
Texas Christian University
moncrief@gamma.is.tcu.edu
moncrief@tcucvms.bitnet


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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 15:18:25 -0600
From: umbaugh@uta.edu (Dave Umbaugh)
To: word-mac@alsvid.scu.edu.au, Marvin Minsky <minsky@media.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: WORD-MAC digest 283
Message-ID: <9403182118.AA12285@cse.uta.edu>

in WORD-MAC digest 282 (Marvin Minsky <minsky@media.mit.edu>)
asks:
>
>Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 23:33:36 -0500
>From: Marvin Minsky <minsky@media.mit.edu>
>To: word-mac@alsvid.scu.edu.au
>Subject: WORD-MAC digest 282
>Message-ID: <9403180433.AA00437@media.mit.edu>
>
>Is there a way to make invisible text that doesn't introduce a
>linefeed resulting from a paragraph break inside the invisible text?
>

If the option "Show Hidden Text" is on (default: on) formatting and
pagination can be effected by the hidden text.  I think the command was in
the Edit menu in Word 4.0.  In 5.1 there is a Preferences dialog box
accessible from the Tools menu to turn the option on or off.  Click the
View icon in the Preferences dialog box to see the Show options.

It is also possible to set the size of text (or paragraphs) to zero points
in the character (or paragraph) dialog.  That makes it hard to see also,
but my recollection is that a vestige of the paragraph marker still shows
on screen.


-dave umbaugh,  umbaugh@uta.edu   Telephone: (817) 273-3628



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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 94 15:20:10 PST
From: David Carson <dcarson@microsoft.com>
To: word-mac@alsvid.scu.edu.au
Subject: RE: PostScript and EPS in Word 5.1a
Message-ID: <9403182322.AA22964@netmail2.microsoft.com>

>Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:08:38 +0000
>From: Kevin McConway <K.J.McConway@open.ac.uk>
>To: word-mac@alsvid.scu.edu.au
>Cc: K.J.McConway@open.ac.uk
>Subject: PostScript and EPS in Word 5.1a
>Message-ID: <199403181411.AA01579@alsvid.scu.edu.au>

<stuff deleted>

>(a) Why does Word 5 think this is an EPS file? (I suppose this may be
>something to do with the way PageMaker and or the LaserWriter 8 driver
work, and
>so not the business of this list, but does anyone know?)
>(b) How do you stop Word 5 converting the EPS, if you really want to look at
>the PostScript code?
>TIA
>Kevin McConway
>Statistics Department, The Open University, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA, UK

Kevin,

Word reads into the header of the file and finds the PostScript header
(so it automatically determines that it's an EPS file). But, if you
install the Text with Layout converter (Custom Install) Word will then
ask you how you want to convert the PostScript file (as Text, Text with
Layout or EPS). You want to select Text.

Also, this gives me a good opportunity to suggest an alternative way of
doing this as this was not and is not a design goal of Word 5.x. If you
are using Word as a PostScript downloading program (which is the only
thing besides editing raw PS code that you could want to do with it),
you should look into a couple of utilities that *are* designed to
download PostScript files to printers. The one that I use is SendPS and
the LaserWriter Utility also supports downloading of PS files.

Now, the reason that you don't want to use Word for this purpose is
that it will be sending it through the LaserWriter driver a second time
which can cause PS error problems. It's like adding a second layer of
frosting to a cake.

David Carson
 Word Support

<Disclaimer: I work for MS, but I don't speak for them>

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Date: 18 Mar 1994 16:01:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: RWALKER@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU
To: word-mac@alsvid.scu.edu.au
Subject: inserting paragraphs before a table work-around
Message-ID: <01HA4FU3OY2Q939F1E@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU>

The way I get a new paragraph before a table, or split a table in 2 (especialy
after I've accidentally merged 2 tables together) is to insert a section break
(command-enter), insert the cursor on the section break and hit a return or
two. I then delete the section break.

I think I stumbled across a built in way to split a table into two, but I'd
been using the work-around for so long that I didn't remember the command.

Ryan Walker
back on the list because none of the servers would let me off.

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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 15:55:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Torsten Heycke <heycke@camis.stanford.edu>
To: word-mac@alsvid.scu.edu.au
Subject: Create/Edit Annotation Marks in Word 5.1a?
Message-ID: <XLView.764035319.5474.heycke@MCS-IPC-3>

Thanks to several respondents to my query about online editing, I am encouraged
by the potential of Word 5.1a's Text Annotation feature. However, I would like
to be able to use "classical" editor marks in place of the 4 default annotation
marks. I imagine that I can add/replace these annotation features using
ResEdit, but I haven't the faintest idea of which resource to edit. Any ideas?
Will Word 6.0 have this feature (editable annotation marks)? (BTW, when is Word
6.0 due out for the Mac?)

Are there any third party products that facilitate annotation/editor's
notation?

Thanks,

Torsten

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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 16:23:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Torsten Heycke <heycke@camis.stanford.edu>
To: word-mac@alsvid.scu.edu.au
Subject: RE Editing/Creating Annotation Marks in Word 5.1a
Message-ID: <XLView.764037082.9952.heycke@MCS-IPC-3>

Well, soon after posting my question about how one might edit the annotation
marks with ResEdit, I figured it out on my own. This is still sub-optimal, but
now I can have annotation marks that look like bonafide editor's notation
(well, sort of). Anyway, I'm still interested in 3rd party products.

Oh, for those interested, to add/edit your annotation marks:

WARNING: Do at your own peril. I'm not sure how much Microsoft sanctions this.

1. Quit Word and launch ResEdit.
2. Open "Text Annotation" in the Word Commands folder.
3. Open the SICNs.
4. Click on the 128 number (sorry, I don't what this is called...)
5. From the "Resource" menu, select "Insert New SICN" (to add a new one).
6. Using the graphics tools, create a new SICN.
7. Double-click on one an icon on the right to edit it.
8. Close and save.

Thanks,

Torsten

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Date: 	Fri, 18 Mar 1994 19:12:47 PST
From: Brian C Smith <bcsmith@parc.xerox.com>
To: word-mac@alsvid.scu.edu.au
Subject: Word List
Message-ID: <94Mar18.191257pst.99461@roo.parc.xerox.com>

Someone gave me this address (word-mac@alsvid.scu.edu.au) was a
discussion group for MSWord.  Is that so?  If so, can I join?

Thanks
       __
    __/\_\  Brian Cantwell Smith
 __/\_\/_/  Xerox Palo Alto Research Center
/\_\/_/\_\  Philosophy Department, Stanford University
\/_/\_\/_/  phone: 415-812-4336
   \/_/\_\  fax: 415-812-4334
      \/_/  net: bcsmith@parc.xerox.com

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Date: Fri, 18 Mar 94 22:02:37 GMT
From: jim@phri.nyu.edu (Jimmy Kyriannis)
To: WORD-MAC@alsvid.scu.edu.au, WORD-PC@UFOBI1.UNI-FORST.GWDG.DE
Subject: Troff -> MS Word conversion
Message-ID: <jim.1114415797A@nyu.edu>


Has anyone seen a utility (UNIX, Mac or PC based - doesn't matter) that will
take a UNIX troff document and convert it into some sort of formatted document
that MS Word can accept?

It seems pretty simple to do... you just need a translator that can convert
all of the troff dot commands into the corresponding formatting codes for MS
Word.



Thanks,

Jimmy


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Jimmy Kyriannis
UNIX Systems and Network Manager
Public Health Research Institute

Internet Mail: jim@phri.nyu.edu

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Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 5:36:21 CDT
From: kriss@AUSTIN.LOCKHEED.COM (R M Kriss)
To: word-mac@alsvid.scu.edu.au
Subject: PC Word 6 to Mac Word 5
Message-ID: <9403191136.AA17075@kestrel.Austin.Lockheed.COM.attd>




I could use some help getting PC Word 6 files to run on my
Mac Word 5.1. The ONLY way I have been able to make the sex
change is to go back to the person that gave me the Word 6
file and have him save it in RTF format.

Dick Kriss
kriss@austin.lockheed.com
On: 03/19/94 05:40:22 AM CST

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Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 09:24:44 +1000
From: Danny Thomas <D.Thomas@vthrc.uq.edu.au>
To: word-mac@alsvid.scu.edu.au
Subject: Word 5 vs EPS
Message-ID: <199403192315.JAA07401@xroads.vthrc.uq.oz.au>

in WordMac digest 283, Dave Carson of Microsoft writes:
>Actually, EPS is a *sub* set of the PostScript language. If the file is
>an EPS file (which I doubt in this case), you should get a description
>image (not a PICT preview, but a description of what application
>created it, its size, etc.) which you aren't getting. So, I think that
>Word's EPS filter just *thinks* that it's an EPS file when it's
>probably just a PostScript file created from Word for Windows (using
>the PostScript driver).

and Kevin McConway <K.J.McConway@open.ac.uk> separately notes:
> .... <different but related problem described> ...
>(a) Why does Word 5 think this is an EPS file? (I suppose this may be
>something to do with the way PageMaker and or the LaserWriter 8 driver work,
>>and so not the business of this list, but does anyone know?)

one of my gripes with Word 5, which I've probably mentioned before, is that
I have to remove the EPS filter if I want to edit PostScript files. At
least the EPS filter is 32bit clean...

    Unlike Word 5.0, version 5.1(a), insists on opening any TEXT file
beginning with "%!" as EPS. I frequently edit PostScript files and the only
way I can do this now is by removing the EPS module from the Commands
folder. Of course there are other occasions when I *do* want to *place* EPS
files so I have to go through the hassle of replacing the EPS module and
restarting Word. This may be a problem in the EPS module, but maybe Word
looks at the start of the file before deciding which import module to
invoke.
    The program should look at the file and *only try opening it as EPS* if
it contains the mandatory DSC comment "%!PS-Adobe-3.0 EPSF-3.0", though
perhaps it should recognize versions of this comment from earlier EPS
standards. But no, when I try opening an ordinary Postscript document Word
blithely proceeds to think it must be EPS until it can't find the bounding
box comment when it complains of "invalid format".  Serve it right because
it shouldn't have tried opening such a non-conforming file but then it
doesn't even give me the *option* of opening as a text file! Grrr......

Word also seems to be very slow in reading valid EPS files. I'm not sure
why this is the case because it merely has to *copy* the PostScript into
the file, the only time it has to actually *look* at the PS is at the very
beginning to verify the presence of the mandatory DSC elements and in
particular to read the bounding-box. Not only is it slow at reading EPS,
but it doesn't regularly check for a mouse-click in the Cancel button - I
have waited tens of seconds (sometimes over a minute) after clicking Cancel
for this operation to be terminated. And of course during this time there
is no indication given that Word has noticed that Cancel, so you're tempted
to hit it again... My impression though is that 5.1a is a bit better in
this regard as well as the speed of reading EPS than was 5.0.

I've since found BBEdit much more convenient when I'm playing with PostScript:
  1) it is generally nicer in dealing with text files, eg it can automatically
     convert DOS/UNIX linefeeds. One of the nice changes in Word 4 was the
     ability to clipboard copy strange characters into the Find dialog.
  2) when fonts are included in the PS as huge unbroken lines (eg 50K long)
     it doesn't slow down as it tries line-wrapping
  3) I can directly send the PostScript to the printer I want; it doesn't
     go via the normal printing mechanism. If any output is returned from
     the printer, BBEdit creates a new document to hold it.

BBEdit is not perfect because the current version has no concept of pages
(ie form-feeds aren't recognized), and a few other wrinkles, but overall it
nicely complements document editors like Word.

cheers,
Danny Thomas



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