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"Gene Norris" <gene@atsi-tester.com> ha scritto nel messaggio 
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> Has anyone looked at the pre-order discount?

> Borland� C++Builder� 2006 Professional Upgrade    $391.00
> C++Builder - 1 Year Support and Maintenance     $327.00

> Borland seems to think we want to automatically purchase maintenance with 
> our upgrade/new purchase. What is the story?!

[ .... ]

I underwrite completely ... and really don't understand why Borland deal so 
badly C++Builder customer ... after all these years of  black out and 
upgrades.

:-(

Steve 

Gene Norris <gene@atsi-tester.com> wrote:

>
>This is ridiculous, especially when you consider C++Builder users who 
>haven't seen any kind of support or maintenance to the product in years. 
>I'm glad to pay for upgrades, but support/maintenance?! I remember 
>Borland announcing end of life on C++Builder a couple of years ago, is 
>that the kind of maintenance we should expect. Give Borland your money 

I can also remember... I'm using Borland since TurboPascal 1.0 under CP/M and
was changing over to Microsoft. Of course I still have several projects out in
the field requiring maintainance. It was pretty unclear how Borland likes to
treat their customers in future and I'm convinced their policy pushed more users
to MS than they wanted to. 

Sorry, Borland is a bit too late. 

The C# IDE was a joke, as the Java IDE and the Builder IDE (compared to BC++
5.x). Yes, the MS ide was still lacking in certain debugging features, but since
they also support bold fonts in the editor the IDE is as good as BC5 was -
especially with my Borland shortkey-settings I use ;) They also have editor
macros!

Again, sorry to say, Borland needs to convince me to choose their product again
as I'm expecting lot of new/old bugs with V2005 V0.0...

>On the other hand, if Borland wants to treat customers like Microsoft 
>treats its customers, then why should I keep coming back to Borland? How 
>_is_ Borland better?

Can't see...

>Borland� C++Builder� 2006 Professional        $927.00
This is with 15% discount if you preorder it if i remember well..

>C++Builder - 1 Year Support and Maintenance     $327.00
No way man.. I will not pay every yeah for a product i have buyed.. If it will ship like it i will fly to another one c++ product, maybe microsoft (??)..
Robert

> Question 2: What will the new license agreement be? . . .
> We have a update version that requires v5.0 which requires version 
> 4.0... After just getting a new computer, two versions of  BCB had to 
> be installed before we could install 6.0 and that requires a login to 
> Borland for a software key.. . .
> If I buy the upgrade, how many installations will have to be 
> performed? four?!
>


My question exactly... Do I have to buy a "new license" for Builder 2006 
to keep from reinstalling 4,5 & 6?  I'd kind of like to upgrade my 
machine at the same time!   Does ANYONE know the answer to this or are 
we being ignored again!?

Sorry, I need to decide whether to stay with Borland or just give in a 
move on to M$.  SOON!  BCB 6 is getting very long in the tooth!

Greg

Greg kaup wrote:
> 
> > Question 2: What will the new license agreement be? . . .
> > We have a update version that requires v5.0 which requires version
> > 4.0... After just getting a new computer, two versions of  BCB had to
> > be installed before we could install 6.0 and that requires a login to
> > Borland for a software key.. . .
> > If I buy the upgrade, how many installations will have to be
> > performed? four?!
> >
> 
> My question exactly... Do I have to buy a "new license" for Builder 2006
> to keep from reinstalling 4,5 & 6?  I'd kind of like to upgrade my
> machine at the same time!   Does ANYONE know the answer to this or are
> we being ignored again!?

What you are describing has never been the way Borland upgrades have worked. 
You do not have to have BCB5 installed to install BCB6 upgrade.

-- 
Jeff Overcash (TeamB) 
      (Please do not email me directly unless  asked. Thank You) 
Your friends will know you better in the first minute you meet than your
acquaintances will know you in a thousand years.    (R Bach)

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:05:44 -0500, "Jeff Overcash (TeamB)"
<jeffovercash@mindspring.com> wrote:

>
>
>Greg kaup wrote:
>> 
>> > Question 2: What will the new license agreement be? . . .
>> > We have a update version that requires v5.0 which requires version
>> > 4.0... After just getting a new computer, two versions of  BCB had to
>> > be installed before we could install 6.0 and that requires a login to
>> > Borland for a software key.. . .
>> > If I buy the upgrade, how many installations will have to be
>> > performed? four?!
>> >
>> 
>> My question exactly... Do I have to buy a "new license" for Builder 2006
>> to keep from reinstalling 4,5 & 6?  I'd kind of like to upgrade my
>> machine at the same time!   Does ANYONE know the answer to this or are
>> we being ignored again!?
>
>What you are describing has never been the way Borland upgrades have worked. 
>You do not have to have BCB5 installed to install BCB6 upgrade.

Wrong. I have BCB5 and BCB6 upg and I DO have to install BCB5 for BCB6
to work.

You do not know what you are talking about! One of the upgrade versions 
required your builder 5 disk, or installation. If your builder 5 disk 
was also an upgrade it would not accept the disk. So you needed the 
installation. Builder 5 upgrade required builder 4 installation. Hence, 
builder 4, 5 and 6 had to be installed. (and that's the house Jack built)

I am just curious why TeamB likes to comment on things they don't know 
anything about. If you had the same problem or a possible solution, by 
all means pipe up. But if your not sure of what you are talking about, 
please don't take the opportunity to evangelize. Believe me, if you are 
reading these posts, you _are_ on the bandwagon. If you cannot contain 
such urges, post how great Borland is on a Microsoft users group!

Jeff Overcash (TeamB) wrote:
> 
> Greg kaup wrote:
> 
>>>Question 2: What will the new license agreement be? . . .
>>>We have a update version that requires v5.0 which requires version
>>>4.0... After just getting a new computer, two versions of  BCB had to
>>>be installed before we could install 6.0 and that requires a login to
>>>Borland for a software key.. . .
>>>If I buy the upgrade, how many installations will have to be
>>>performed? four?!
>>>
>>
>>My question exactly... Do I have to buy a "new license" for Builder 2006
>>to keep from reinstalling 4,5 & 6?  I'd kind of like to upgrade my
>>machine at the same time!   Does ANYONE know the answer to this or are
>>we being ignored again!?
> 
> 
> What you are describing has never been the way Borland upgrades have worked. 
> You do not have to have BCB5 installed to install BCB6 upgrade.
> 

Gene Norris wrote:
> 
> You do not know what you are talking about! One of the upgrade versions
> required your builder 5 disk, or installation. If your builder 5 disk
> was also an upgrade it would not accept the disk. So you needed the
> installation. Builder 5 upgrade required builder 4 installation. Hence,
> builder 4, 5 and 6 had to be installed. (and that's the house Jack built)
> 

So you are stating the same thing I did.  You do not have to install the
previous version to upgrade like the original poster stated.  I've also never
been asked on any version of BCB or Delphi upgrade for an original disk.  BC++
did ask for a disk, but BCB never has for me.  You have to continue to own the
original new install that is your qualifier to the upgrade product any ways so
even if it asked for a disk (note not require that product to be installed on
your machine) there is no big deal.

BTW, just yesterday I installed BCB6 upgrade on a machine that has no previous
version of BCB on it nor did it ask for my qualifying product's disk.


-- 
Jeff Overcash (TeamB) 
      (Please do not email me directly unless  asked. Thank You) 
Your friends will know you better in the first minute you meet than your
acquaintances will know you in a thousand years.    (R Bach)

And I quote (myself):

'So you needed the installation.'

and previously:
'We have a update version that requires v5.0 which requires version 4.0.'

 >Jeff Overcash (TeamB) wrote:
 >
 > So you are stating the same thing I did.  You do not have to install >the
 > previous version to upgrade like the original poster stated.

My statements are nothing like yours. There were two different upgrade 
versions, one required bcb5 and specifically stated it was an upgrade 
from bcb5 only. This is also the version that _requires_ an installation 
of bcb5, and 4.

My general suggestion/complaint has to do with the fact that both v4 and 
v5 were purchased directly from Borland. Borland could have looked at 
its own records to verify this, instead of _requiring_ me to install 
several versions to get their software to work.

>I've also never
> been asked on any version of BCB or Delphi upgrade for an original disk.  BC++
> did ask for a disk, but BCB never has for me.  
Good for you, but obviously others have problems you have not 
encountered. Further, basically calling us liars is not helping us make 
bcb a better, friendlier product that more people will want to use. It 
only makes me question further the level of support Borland is willing 
to offer with this product.

>You have to continue to own the
> original new install that is your qualifier to the upgrade product any ways so
> even if it asked for a disk (note not require that product to be installed on
> your machine) there is no big deal.
As previously stated, it was required, because the bcb 5 disk was also 
an upgrade and was not recognized by the bcb6 installation disk, so bcb5 
had to be installed and likewise version 4 installed first. The whole 
process started with the arrival of my new computer...

Further, I think spending all day installing unnecessary and unwanted 
versions is a 'big deal' which I would prefer _not_ have happen again. 
(Hence my original rant.) Obviously, there is at least one other person 
that would like to make sure this is not required in the future. Maybe 
two, if you would like to continue on the path that you have evidently 
been put on by Borland. (You do agree this should not be happening, right?)

> 
> BTW, just yesterday I installed BCB6 upgrade on a machine that has no previous
> version of BCB on it nor did it ask for my qualifying product's disk.
> 
That is great for you. Again, as before:
I am just curious why TeamB likes to comment on things they don't know 
anything about. If you had the same problem or a possible solution, by 
all means pipe up. But if your not sure of what you are talking about, 
please don't take the opportunity to evangelize. Believe me, if you are 
reading these posts, you _are_ on the bandwagon. If you cannot contain 
such urges, post how great Borland is on a Microsoft users group!

By this I mean, why do you want to piss me off? I am a longtime user of 
Borland products and would like some of these issues addressed (or maybe 
at least commiserate with others). You are not helping me, or any other 
user by saying the problem(s) does(do) not exist. I am not saying jump 
ship to MS, I am asking to be treated at least as well as the Delphi 
users. If Borland doesn't see it that way, then I would like to know. 
Once I know what the plan actually is, then I might suggest jumping ship 
or staying with BCB5, or possibly even sending _Borland_ some money and 
upgrading to 2006.

Upgrade to 2006 is what I would actually like to see happen. I have a 
lot invested with Borland and moving elsewhere will mean learning 
another language/library, moving/changing/porting code, legacy issues 
and the list continues... I DON'T need convincing that Borland can make 
a great product, I need convinced they are going to release and support 
a great product. And I'd also like to know the costs and what the 
support includes.

Most people who deny problems are not interested in helping. This seems 
to be the case with you and maybe Borland. Saying you have not 
encountered or could not duplicate the problem is one thing, calling us 
liars is another. If you still need convinced, get permission from 
Borland and I will be happy to send you the disks. Or better yet, you 
could assume I have told the truth and am interested in making 2006 a 
product worth purchasing.

Gene

"Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" <jeffovercash@mindspring.com> wrote:

>BTW, just yesterday I installed BCB6 upgrade on a machine that has no previous
>version of BCB on it nor did it ask for my qualifying product's disk.

Funny,

Just yesterday I went to install my BCB6 (upgrade) on my new laptop and it asked me for my BCB5 disk. Unfortunately for me, that disk is no longer readable, so I am sitting around waiting for 2006 to arrive (backordered) wondering how long I am going to have to remote to my old laptop to write software.

Anyone know how I can convince BCB6 installer to proceed without the BCB5 disk?

Don

Don Wilcox wrote:
> "Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" <jeffovercash@mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>BTW, just yesterday I installed BCB6 upgrade on a machine that has no previous
>>version of BCB on it nor did it ask for my qualifying product's disk.
> 
> 
> Funny,
> 
> Just yesterday I went to install my BCB6 (upgrade) on my new laptop and it asked me for my BCB5 disk. Unfortunately for me, that disk is no longer readable, so I am sitting around waiting for 2006 to arrive (backordered) wondering how long I am going to have to remote to my old laptop to write software.
> 
> Anyone know how I can convince BCB6 installer to proceed without the BCB5 disk?
> 
> Don
If you have installed BCB5 on the other PC, you can copy bin folder to 
the new and after that will try again to install BCB6

I have 5 installed nowhere. I have ben using this version of 6 since it came out, re-installed on 3 different generations of laptops, and now at this moment I have no usable copy of 5 anywhere.

Very frustrating.

Vladimir <zhuchko@jinr.ru> wrote:
>Don Wilcox wrote:
>> "Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" <jeffovercash@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>BTW, just yesterday I installed BCB6 upgrade on a machine that has no previous
>>>version of BCB on it nor did it ask for my qualifying product's disk.
>> 
>> 
>> Funny,
>> 
>> Just yesterday I went to install my BCB6 (upgrade) on my new laptop and it asked me for my BCB5 disk. Unfortunately for me, that disk is no longer readable, so I am sitting around waiting for 2006 to arrive (backordered) wondering how long I am going to have to remote to my old laptop to write software.
>> 
>> Anyone know how I can convince BCB6 installer to proceed without the BCB5 disk?
>> 
>> Don
>If you have installed BCB5 on the other PC, you can copy bin folder to 
>the new and after that will try again to install BCB6

Don,

I can help you with this.  I've sent you a private e-mail.