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100 Million Dead <100MillionDead@DeadMillions.Nix> wrote in
news:ELSdnc68p-Wyz-bNnZ2dnUVZ5hmdnZ2d@giganews.com: 

> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-end-of-th
> e- united-states
> 
> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
> 
> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of
> peon cubans! 

Good. You should leave.

Now would be good, get a head start.

Matt

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:00:47 -0500, 100 Million Dead wrote:

> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-end-of-
the-
> united-states
> 
> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
> 
> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of
> peon cubans!
> 
> "There will be a slow decline in the value of the Dollar, a managed
> decline." - George Soros, Financial Times, October 23 2009
> 
> 
> Obama and the globalist socialists want to collapse and globalize the
> United States and will succeed unless Obama and the Democrats are booted
> from office this fall!

The sky is falling!  Aieee!

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 01:14:39 +0000 (UTC), 3196 Dead <dead@gone.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:00:47 -0500, 100 Million Dead wrote:
>
>> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-end-of-
>the-
>> united-states
>> 
>> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
>> 
>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of
>> peon cubans!
>> 
>> "There will be a slow decline in the value of the Dollar, a managed
>> decline." - George Soros, Financial Times, October 23 2009
>> 
>> 
>> Obama and the globalist socialists want to collapse and globalize the
>> United States and will succeed unless Obama and the Democrats are booted
>> from office this fall!
>
>The sky is falling!  Aieee!

Proof is in the doing not the words
Although not radically Obama has stopped the sky falling in the USa 
Under the republicans the sky was crashing
Obama reversed this and killed Osama-Bin-Laden?
Were suspicious of Obama at first so-far proved to be the best
President the USa has had since Kennedy and he was murdered
-- 
Petzl
In Australia Christianity is important not because of the power it wields, but because of the power it denies others!
The only Legally defined God in Australia is our Christian God, whose compound redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ.
Our Christian Constitution demands our political representatives need to be able to make oaths to our legally  defined Christian God 

On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, 100 Million Dead <100MillionD...@DeadMillions.Nix>
wrote:

> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United States
> as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of peon cubans!

Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China (to line
his pockets).

THAT WILL SAVE US FROM OBAMA'S BLATANT SOCIALISM!

On 10/14/2012 6:05 PM, Matt wrote:
> 100 Million Dead<100MillionDead@DeadMillions.Nix>  wrote in
> news:ELSdnc68p-Wyz-bNnZ2dnUVZ5hmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-end-of-th
>> e- united-states
>>
>> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
>>
>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of
>> peon cubans!
>
> Good. You should leave.
>
> Now would be good, get a head start.
>
> Matt

You first - traitor.

On 10/14/2012 7:14 PM, 3196 Dead wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:00:47 -0500, 100 Million Dead wrote:
>
>> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-end-of-
> the-
>> united-states
>>
>> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
>>
>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of
>> peon cubans!
>>
>> "There will be a slow decline in the value of the Dollar, a managed
>> decline." - George Soros, Financial Times, October 23 2009
>>
>>
>> Obama and the globalist socialists want to collapse and globalize the
>> United States and will succeed unless Obama and the Democrats are booted
>> from office this fall!
>
> The sky is falling!  Aieee!

STFU, you fat canuck expat drug addict.

On 10/14/2012 7:22 PM, Petzl wrote:
> Although not radically Obama has stopped the sky falling in the USa

Are you out to lunch?



http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Rasmussen-recession-consumer-investor/2012/10/08/id/459055

Rasmussen: 62% of Consumers See US in Recession
Monday, 08 Oct 2012 09:38 AM

By Forrest Jones

More and more Americans feel the U.S. economy is mired in a recession, a 
new Rasmussen Reports survey finds.

The poll found that 62 percent of consumers believe the U.S. economy is 
currently in a recession, while 22 percent disagree.

Among investors, 61 percent say the economy is in a recession, while 24 
percent say it�s not.

Editor's Note: Prophetic Economist Warns: �It�s Curtains for America.� 
See Evidence.

The Rasmussen Consumer Index, which measures consumer confidence on a 
daily basis, rose 2 points on Sunday to 85.9. The consumer index is down 
3 points from a week ago, up 2 points from a month ago and down 4 points 
from three months ago.

The Rasmussen Investor Index rose 4 points on Sunday to 92.2. Investor 
confidence remained largely unchanged from a week ago, is down 2 points 
from a month ago and down 4 points from three months ago.

Fears the United States will slide into a recession next year have been 
growing, thanks to a fast-approaching and very sharp fiscal adjustment 
that will strike on New Year�s Day.

http://online.wsj.com

Mr. Obama told Americans in 2009 that if he did not turn around the 
economy in three years his Presidency would be "a one-term proposition." 
Joe Biden said three years ago that the $830 billion economic stimulus 
was working beyond his "wildest dreams" and he famously promised several 
months after the Obama stimulus was enacted that Americans would enjoy a 
"summer of recovery." That was more than three years ago.

In early 2009 soon-to-be White House economists Ms. Romer and Mr. 
Bernstein promised Congress that the stimulus would hold the 
unemployment rate below 7% and that by now it would be 5.6%.

Mr. Obama promised that the deficit would be cut in half in four years, 
but the fiscal 2012 deficit (estimated to be above $1 trillion) will be 
twice the 2008 deficit ($458 billion).

Mr. Obama said that his health-care plan would "cut the cost of a 
typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year," but premiums for 
employer-sponsored family coverage have gone up $2,370 since 2009, 
according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

He said that the linchpin for a growing economy would be renewable 
energy investment, and he promised to "create five million new jobs in 
solar, wind, geothermal" energy. Mr. Obama did invest some $9 billion in 
green energy, but his job estimate was off by at least a factor of 10 
and today many solar and wind industry firms are fighting bankruptcy. 
The growth in domestic U.S. energy production that he now takes credit 
for has come almost entirely from the fossil fuels his Administration 
has done so much to obstruct.

There's nothing unusual about candidates making grandiose promises that 
don't come true. And it's a White House tradition to blame one's 
predecessor when things don't get better. (Usually these Presidents end 
up one-termers.)

The bad faith wasn't then. It's now. Mr. Obama really believed that 
government spending would unleash a robust recovery in employment and 
housing�an "economy built to last." Now that this hasn't happened and 
with the Congressional Budget Office predicting a possible recession for 
2013, Team Obama claims these woeful results were the best that could 
have been expected.

The problem with this line is that every President who has inherited a 
recession in modern times has done better. (See nearby table.) Under Mr. 
Obama, measured on the basis of jobs, GDP growth and incomes, this has 
been by far the meekest recovery from the past 10 recessions.

On 10/14/2012 8:16 PM, An tSin Gorm wrote:
> 'I mean in history, before they changed the water.'



http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Rasmussen-recession-consumer-investor/2012/10/08/id/459055

Rasmussen: 62% of Consumers See US in Recession
Monday, 08 Oct 2012 09:38 AM

By Forrest Jones

More and more Americans feel the U.S. economy is mired in a recession, a 
new Rasmussen Reports survey finds.

The poll found that 62 percent of consumers believe the U.S. economy is 
currently in a recession, while 22 percent disagree.

Among investors, 61 percent say the economy is in a recession, while 24 
percent say it�s not.

Editor's Note: Prophetic Economist Warns: �It�s Curtains for America.� 
See Evidence.

The Rasmussen Consumer Index, which measures consumer confidence on a 
daily basis, rose 2 points on Sunday to 85.9. The consumer index is down 
3 points from a week ago, up 2 points from a month ago and down 4 points 
from three months ago.

The Rasmussen Investor Index rose 4 points on Sunday to 92.2. Investor 
confidence remained largely unchanged from a week ago, is down 2 points 
from a month ago and down 4 points from three months ago.

Fears the United States will slide into a recession next year have been 
growing, thanks to a fast-approaching and very sharp fiscal adjustment 
that will strike on New Year�s Day.

http://online.wsj.com

Mr. Obama told Americans in 2009 that if he did not turn around the 
economy in three years his Presidency would be "a one-term proposition." 
Joe Biden said three years ago that the $830 billion economic stimulus 
was working beyond his "wildest dreams" and he famously promised several 
months after the Obama stimulus was enacted that Americans would enjoy a 
"summer of recovery." That was more than three years ago.

In early 2009 soon-to-be White House economists Ms. Romer and Mr. 
Bernstein promised Congress that the stimulus would hold the 
unemployment rate below 7% and that by now it would be 5.6%.

Mr. Obama promised that the deficit would be cut in half in four years, 
but the fiscal 2012 deficit (estimated to be above $1 trillion) will be 
twice the 2008 deficit ($458 billion).

Mr. Obama said that his health-care plan would "cut the cost of a 
typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year," but premiums for 
employer-sponsored family coverage have gone up $2,370 since 2009, 
according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

He said that the linchpin for a growing economy would be renewable 
energy investment, and he promised to "create five million new jobs in 
solar, wind, geothermal" energy. Mr. Obama did invest some $9 billion in 
green energy, but his job estimate was off by at least a factor of 10 
and today many solar and wind industry firms are fighting bankruptcy. 
The growth in domestic U.S. energy production that he now takes credit 
for has come almost entirely from the fossil fuels his Administration 
has done so much to obstruct.

There's nothing unusual about candidates making grandiose promises that 
don't come true. And it's a White House tradition to blame one's 
predecessor when things don't get better. (Usually these Presidents end 
up one-termers.)

The bad faith wasn't then. It's now. Mr. Obama really believed that 
government spending would unleash a robust recovery in employment and 
housing�an "economy built to last." Now that this hasn't happened and 
with the Congressional Budget Office predicting a possible recession for 
2013, Team Obama claims these woeful results were the best that could 
have been expected.

The problem with this line is that every President who has inherited a 
recession in modern times has done better. (See nearby table.) Under Mr. 
Obama, measured on the basis of jobs, GDP growth and incomes, this has 
been by far the meekest recovery from the past 10 recessions.

On 10/14/2012 8:26 PM, An tSin Gorm wrote:
> In article<XnsA0ECB7FF677E3matttellessprynetcom@88.198.244.100>,
>   Matt<matttelles@sprynet.com>  wrote:
>
>> 100 Million Dead<100MillionDead@DeadMillions.Nix>  wrote in
>> news:ELSdnc68p-Wyz-bNnZ2dnUVZ5hmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-end-of-th
>>> e- united-states
>>>
>>> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
>>>
>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of
>>> peon cubans!
>>
>> Good. You should leave.
>>
>> Now would be good, get a head start.
>
> Costa Rica is starting up a colony for ex-pats on Isla Sorna.
>

Have a lovely time, drop us all a postcard.

On 10/14/2012 8:27 PM, Phlip wrote:
> On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, 100 Million Dead<100MillionD...@DeadMillions.Nix>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United States
>> as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of peon cubans!
>
> Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China

When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?

On Oct 14, 8:44 pm, lib_o_matic <r...@co.bass> wrote:
> On 10/14/2012 8:27 PM, Phlip wrote:
>
> > On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, 100 Million Dead<100MillionD...@DeadMillions.Nix>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United States
> >> as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of peon cubans!
>
> > Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China
>
> When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?

I'm aware you are too stupid to get the point, but Fiat ain't RED.
That means Communist. Like "kill anyone who talks back to the gov't,
or tries to form a union". Like the Cultural Revolution, or the
Tiananman Square Massacre. Like where Bain invests half its money (per
the NYT). Like "Socialist", what you have been taught to call Obama.

And, unless you really haven't noticed, Chrysler (under Fiat) builds
and sells their cars HERE.

Now let's take a reality check.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Sensata

This story is bigger than Romney's last 10 fuckups, combined, and it's
only on its 3rd day.

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:45:03 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:

> On 10/14/2012 8:27 PM, Phlip wrote:
>> On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, 100 Million Dead<100MillionD...@DeadMillions.Nix>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of
>>> peon cubans!
>>
>> Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China
> 
> When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?

Now, when did he do that?

Did Reagan sell them to Daimler?

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:43:00 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:

> On 10/14/2012 7:14 PM, 3196 Dead wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:00:47 -0500, 100 Million Dead wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-end-of-
>> the-
>>> united-states
>>>
>>> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
>>>
>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of
>>> peon cubans!
>>>
>>> "There will be a slow decline in the value of the Dollar, a managed
>>> decline." - George Soros, Financial Times, October 23 2009
>>>
>>>
>>> Obama and the globalist socialists want to collapse and globalize the
>>> United States and will succeed unless Obama and the Democrats are
>>> booted from office this fall!
>>
>> The sky is falling!  Aieee!
> 
> STFU, you fat canuck expat drug addict.

Aw, is woogums upset because nobody likes fascists?

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:43:49 -0600, lib_o_matic <rov@co.bass> wrote:

>Are you out to lunch?
>
>http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Rasmussen-recession-consumer-investor/2012/10/08/id/459055
>
>Rasmussen: 62% of Consumers See US in Recession
>Monday, 08 Oct 2012 09:38 AM
>
>By Forrest Jones
>
>More and more Americans feel the U.S. economy is mired in a recession, a 
>new Rasmussen Reports survey finds.

I'm in Sydney Australia just look at the economics not the *feeling*
Those that vote in USA will decide if they want austerity or stimulus
-- 
Petzl
In Australia Christianity is important not because of the power it wields, but because of the power it denies others!
The only Legally defined God in Australia is our Christian God, whose compound redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ.
Our Christian Constitution demands our political representatives need to be able to make oaths to our legally  defined Christian God 

On 10/14/2012 9:57 PM, Phlip wrote:
> On Oct 14, 8:44 pm, lib_o_matic<r...@co.bass>  wrote:
>> On 10/14/2012 8:27 PM, Phlip wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, 100 Million Dead<100MillionD...@DeadMillions.Nix>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United States
>>>> as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of peon cubans!
>>
>>> Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China
>>
>> When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?
>
> I'm aware you are too stupid to get the point, but Fiat ain't RED.
> That means Communist.

So it's OK to sell American companies to non-commie foreigners?

Uh, really?

Why don't you and "ashlita" take a flying leap off the pier, you 
traitorous cunt.

On 10/14/2012 9:58 PM, 3196 Dead wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:45:03 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>
>> On 10/14/2012 8:27 PM, Phlip wrote:
>>> On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, 100 Million Dead<100MillionD...@DeadMillions.Nix>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>>>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of
>>>> peon cubans!
>>>
>>> Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China
>>
>> When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?
>
> Now, when did he do that?

Shut your fat canuck expat piehole, you Mt. Shasta drug addict.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8556086/Barack-Obama-government-has-sold-its-final-stake-in-Chrysler.html

The U.S. Treasury Department said on Thursday (June 2) it reached an 
agreement to sell its remaining 6 per cent equity stake in Chrysler to 
Italy's Fiat in a deal that will net Washington $560 million.

On 10/14/2012 9:59 PM, 3196 Dead wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:43:00 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>
>> On 10/14/2012 7:14 PM, 3196 Dead wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:00:47 -0500, 100 Million Dead wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-end-of-
>>> the-
>>>> united-states
>>>>
>>>> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
>>>>
>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>>>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of
>>>> peon cubans!
>>>>
>>>> "There will be a slow decline in the value of the Dollar, a managed
>>>> decline." - George Soros, Financial Times, October 23 2009
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Obama and the globalist socialists want to collapse and globalize the
>>>> United States and will succeed unless Obama and the Democrats are
>>>> booted from office this fall!
>>>
>>> The sky is falling!  Aieee!
>>
>> STFU, you fat canuck expat drug addict.
>
> Aw, is woogums upset because nobody likes fascists?


It may be time to reaquaint people with your lunacy:

obese bastard:

http://thelunaticgazette.com/zepp/


Zepp was born in Ottawa, Ontario, and spent his formative years living in
various parts of Canada from Halifax to Victoria, and then the UK, South
Africa, and Australia before moving to the United States, where he has
lived for 40 years. Aside from writing, his interests include hiking,
raising dogs and cats, and making computers jump through hoops. His wife of
25 years edits his copy, and bravely attempts to make him sound coherent.
Zepp lives on Mount Shasta.


"Well, that's the funny thing about terrorists.  If they get what they
want, they stop being terrorists."
--Zepp Jamieson
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=q5sc50lf1id03ms1i9truk78v2dk6052f5%...


"No plane hit the Pentagon.  I don't know what did,[...]"
-- Zepp Jamieson
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/39d98c910d3...


If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough.
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&

On 10/14/2012 10:02 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:43:49 -0600, lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>  wrote:
>
>> Are you out to lunch?
>>
>> http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Rasmussen-recession-consumer-investor/2012/10/08/id/459055
>>
>> Rasmussen: 62% of Consumers See US in Recession
>> Monday, 08 Oct 2012 09:38 AM
>>
>> By Forrest Jones
>>
>> More and more Americans feel the U.S. economy is mired in a recession, a
>> new Rasmussen Reports survey finds.
>
> I'm in Sydney Australia just look at the economics not the *feeling*

We have, 23 million are out of work - thanks 0bama!

> Those that vote in USA will decide if they want austerity or stimulus

Mind your own nation's affairs.


http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Rasmussen-recession-consumer-investor/2012/10/08/id/459055

Rasmussen: 62% of Consumers See US in Recession
Monday, 08 Oct 2012 09:38 AM

By Forrest Jones

More and more Americans feel the U.S. economy is mired in a recession, a 
new Rasmussen Reports survey finds.

The poll found that 62 percent of consumers believe the U.S. economy is 
currently in a recession, while 22 percent disagree.

Among investors, 61 percent say the economy is in a recession, while 24 
percent say it�s not.

Editor's Note: Prophetic Economist Warns: �It�s Curtains for America.� 
See Evidence.

The Rasmussen Consumer Index, which measures consumer confidence on a 
daily basis, rose 2 points on Sunday to 85.9. The consumer index is down 
3 points from a week ago, up 2 points from a month ago and down 4 points 
from three months ago.

The Rasmussen Investor Index rose 4 points on Sunday to 92.2. Investor 
confidence remained largely unchanged from a week ago, is down 2 points 
from a month ago and down 4 points from three months ago.

Fears the United States will slide into a recession next year have been 
growing, thanks to a fast-approaching and very sharp fiscal adjustment 
that will strike on New Year�s Day.

http://online.wsj.com

Mr. Obama told Americans in 2009 that if he did not turn around the 
economy in three years his Presidency would be "a one-term proposition." 
Joe Biden said three years ago that the $830 billion economic stimulus 
was working beyond his "wildest dreams" and he famously promised several 
months after the Obama stimulus was enacted that Americans would enjoy a 
"summer of recovery." That was more than three years ago.

In early 2009 soon-to-be White House economists Ms. Romer and Mr. 
Bernstein promised Congress that the stimulus would hold the 
unemployment rate below 7% and that by now it would be 5.6%.

Mr. Obama promised that the deficit would be cut in half in four years, 
but the fiscal 2012 deficit (estimated to be above $1 trillion) will be 
twice the 2008 deficit ($458 billion).

Mr. Obama said that his health-care plan would "cut the cost of a 
typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year," but premiums for 
employer-sponsored family coverage have gone up $2,370 since 2009, 
according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

He said that the linchpin for a growing economy would be renewable 
energy investment, and he promised to "create five million new jobs in 
solar, wind, geothermal" energy. Mr. Obama did invest some $9 billion in 
green energy, but his job estimate was off by at least a factor of 10 
and today many solar and wind industry firms are fighting bankruptcy. 
The growth in domestic U.S. energy production that he now takes credit 
for has come almost entirely from the fossil fuels his Administration 
has done so much to obstruct.

There's nothing unusual about candidates making grandiose promises that 
don't come true. And it's a White House tradition to blame one's 
predecessor when things don't get better. (Usually these Presidents end 
up one-termers.)

The bad faith wasn't then. It's now. Mr. Obama really believed that 
government spending would unleash a robust recovery in employment and 
housing�an "economy built to last." Now that this hasn't happened and 
with the Congressional Budget Office predicting a possible recession for 
2013, Team Obama claims these woeful results were the best that could 
have been expected.

The problem with this line is that every President who has inherited a 
recession in modern times has done better. (See nearby table.) Under Mr. 
Obama, measured on the basis of jobs, GDP growth and incomes, this has 
been by far the meekest recovery from the past 10 recessions.

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:13:16 -0600, lib_o_matic <rov@co.bass> wrote:

>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:43:49 -0600, lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>  wrote:
>>
>>> Are you out to lunch?
>>>
>>> http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Rasmussen-recession-consumer-investor/2012/10/08/id/459055
>>>
>>> Rasmussen: 62% of Consumers See US in Recession
>>> Monday, 08 Oct 2012 09:38 AM
>>>
>>> By Forrest Jones
>>>
>>> More and more Americans feel the U.S. economy is mired in a recession, a
>>> new Rasmussen Reports survey finds.
>>
>> I'm in Sydney Australia just look at the economics not the *feeling*
>
>We have, 23 million are out of work - thanks 0bama!
>
>> Those that vote in USA will decide if they want austerity or stimulus
>
>Mind your own nation's affairs.

You are posting in aus.politics?
If America does well so does Australia
Unemployment in USa is slowly dropping.
 Now 7.8% as long as the trend continues the outlook for USa looks
"good/better"
Facts real ones speak to me louder than words
-- 
Petzl
I started with nothing and I am proud to say I still have most of it left

On 10/14/2012 10:20 PM, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:13:16 -0600, lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>  wrote:
>
>>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:43:49 -0600, lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you out to lunch?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Rasmussen-recession-consumer-investor/2012/10/08/id/459055
>>>>
>>>> Rasmussen: 62% of Consumers See US in Recession
>>>> Monday, 08 Oct 2012 09:38 AM
>>>>
>>>> By Forrest Jones
>>>>
>>>> More and more Americans feel the U.S. economy is mired in a recession, a
>>>> new Rasmussen Reports survey finds.
>>>
>>> I'm in Sydney Australia just look at the economics not the *feeling*
>>
>> We have, 23 million are out of work - thanks 0bama!
>>
>>> Those that vote in USA will decide if they want austerity or stimulus
>>
>> Mind your own nation's affairs.
>
> You are posting in aus.politics?

Not anymore, buh bye!

lib_o_matic <rov@co.bass> wrote in news:k5g0mu$ajt$3@dont-email.me:

> On 10/14/2012 6:05 PM, Matt wrote:
>> 100 Million Dead<100MillionDead@DeadMillions.Nix>  wrote in
>> news:ELSdnc68p-Wyz-bNnZ2dnUVZ5hmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-end-of-th
>>> e- united-states
>>>
>>> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
>>>
>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of
>>> peon cubans!
>>
>> Good. You should leave.
>>
>> Now would be good, get a head start.
>>
>> Matt
> 
> You first - traitor.
> 

Yes, you are a traitor, glad you sign your posts that way, scum.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Better yet, do.

Bye

Matt

On 10/15/2012 6:59 AM, Matt wrote:
> lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>  wrote in news:k5g0mu$ajt$3@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 10/14/2012 6:05 PM, Matt wrote:
>>> 100 Million Dead<100MillionDead@DeadMillions.Nix>   wrote in
>>> news:ELSdnc68p-Wyz-bNnZ2dnUVZ5hmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-end-of-th
>>>> e- united-states
>>>>
>>>> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
>>>>
>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>>>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that of
>>>> peon cubans!
>>>
>>> Good. You should leave.
>>>
>>> Now would be good, get a head start.
>>>
>>> Matt
>>
>> You first - traitor.
>>
>
> Yes,
Yes, get the fuck out.

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:09:03 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:

> On 10/14/2012 9:58 PM, 3196 Dead wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:45:03 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/14/2012 8:27 PM, Phlip wrote:
>>>> On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, 100 Million Dead<100MillionD...@DeadMillions.Nix>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>>>>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that
>>>>> of peon cubans!
>>>>
>>>> Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China
>>>
>>> When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?
>>
>> Now, when did he do that?
> 
> Shut your fat canuck expat piehole, you Mt. Shasta drug addict.
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8556086/Barack-
Obama-government-has-sold-its-final-stake-in-Chrysler.html
> 
> The U.S. Treasury Department said on Thursday (June 2) it reached an
> agreement to sell its remaining 6 per cent equity stake in Chrysler to
> Italy's Fiat in a deal that will net Washington $560 million.

And what percent of one hundred percent is six percent, my abusive, 
cowardly and anonymous little friend, of one hundred percent?  Think very 
hard.  I'm sure it will come to you in a while.

In the meantime, did you shit your pants when all of Chrysler was sold to 
Daimler back in the 80s?  Did you blame Reagan?  Did you whine like you 
are now?  

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:05:57 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:

> On 10/14/2012 9:57 PM, Phlip wrote:
>> On Oct 14, 8:44 pm, lib_o_matic<r...@co.bass>  wrote:
>>> On 10/14/2012 8:27 PM, Phlip wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, 100 Million Dead<100MillionD...@DeadMillions.Nix>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>>>>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that
>>>>> of peon cubans!
>>>
>>>> Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China
>>>
>>> When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?
>>
>> I'm aware you are too stupid to get the point, but Fiat ain't RED.
>> That means Communist.
> 
> So it's OK to sell American companies to non-commie foreigners?
> 
> Uh, really?

Wake up and smell the coffee, bubbles.  Fact is, your good pall Mittens 
has exported more jobs and businesses to China (which IS Red) than Obama 
has been able to replace, just by himself.  Millions of jobs that 
mercenary little shit has cost America, and you're whining about the 
Government selling a 6% stake for a profit?
> 
> Why don't you and "ashlita" take a flying leap off the pier, you
> traitorous cunt.

> >>>> Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China
>
> >>> When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?
>
> >> I'm aware you are too stupid to get the point, but Fiat ain't RED.
> >> That means Communist.
>
> > So it's OK to sell American companies to non-commie foreigners?

yeah, and it's also okay to snip the most important context just to
pretend you have a point: Regardless of who is stupid enough to invest
in Chrysler, THE JOBS ARE STILL HERE.

Now let's hear you whine about how Obama's a "Socialist", and how you
want to vote for Romney, whose best buddies are factually Maoist
Communists.

On 10/15/2012 8:50 AM, 3196 Dead wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:09:03 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>
>> On 10/14/2012 9:58 PM, 3196 Dead wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:45:03 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/14/2012 8:27 PM, Phlip wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, 100 Million Dead<100MillionD...@DeadMillions.Nix>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>>>>>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that
>>>>>> of peon cubans!
>>>>>
>>>>> Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China
>>>>
>>>> When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?
>>>
>>> Now, when did he do that?
>>
>> Shut your fat canuck expat piehole, you Mt. Shasta drug addict.
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8556086/Barack-
> Obama-government-has-sold-its-final-stake-in-Chrysler.html
>>
>> The U.S. Treasury Department said on Thursday (June 2) it reached an
>> agreement to sell its remaining 6 per cent equity stake in Chrysler to
>> Italy's Fiat in a deal that will net Washington $560 million.
>
> And what percent of one hundred percent is six percent,

You haven't a clue have, you tubby?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203513604577141651251660594.html

January 5, 2012, 4:20 p.m. ET.Fiat Increases Ownership in Chrysler to 58.5%

You can't get one damned thing right, can you?


> In the meantime, did you shit your pants when all of Chrysler was sold to
> Daimler back in the 80s?

How damned STUPID are you anyway?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler_AG

In a so-called "Merger Of Equals" Daimler-Benz AG and the American 
automobile manufacturer Chrysler Corporation merged in 1998 in an 
exchange of shares,[2] and formed DaimlerChrysler AG.


Not one damned thing right, you stupid wheezing, fat canuck expat slimebag!

On 10/15/2012 8:56 AM, 3196 Dead wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:05:57 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>
>> On 10/14/2012 9:57 PM, Phlip wrote:
>>> On Oct 14, 8:44 pm, lib_o_matic<r...@co.bass>   wrote:
>>>> On 10/14/2012 8:27 PM, Phlip wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, 100 Million Dead<100MillionD...@DeadMillions.Nix>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>>>>>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that
>>>>>> of peon cubans!
>>>>
>>>>> Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China
>>>>
>>>> When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?
>>>
>>> I'm aware you are too stupid to get the point, but Fiat ain't RED.
>>> That means Communist.
>>
>> So it's OK to sell American companies to non-commie foreigners?
>>
>> Uh, really?
>
> Wake up and smell the coffee, bubbles.

Wake up and let America know what a vile subhuman 911 'troofer' you are, 
fat boi:


http://thelunaticgazette.com/zepp/


Zepp was born in Ottawa, Ontario, and spent his formative years living in
various parts of Canada from Halifax to Victoria, and then the UK, South
Africa, and Australia before moving to the United States, where he has
lived for 40 years. Aside from writing, his interests include hiking,
raising dogs and cats, and making computers jump through hoops. His wife of
25 years edits his copy, and bravely attempts to make him sound coherent.
Zepp lives on Mount Shasta.


"Well, that's the funny thing about terrorists.  If they get what they
want, they stop being terrorists."
--Zepp Jamieson
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=q5sc50lf1id03ms1i9truk78v2dk6052f5%...


"No plane hit the Pentagon.  I don't know what did,[...]"
-- Zepp Jamieson
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/39d98c910d3...


If Nevermore tries paying cap gains with a 1040, he'll
be in jail soon enough.
--Zepp Jamieson, Dec 3, 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/30fdaff423e2029b?hl=en&

On Oct 15, 8:25 am, lib_o_matic <r...@co.bass> wrote:
> On 10/15/2012 8:50 AM, 3196 Dead wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:09:03 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>
> >> On 10/14/2012 9:58 PM, 3196 Dead wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:45:03 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>
> >>>> On 10/14/2012 8:27 PM, Phlip wrote:
> >>>>> On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, 100 Million Dead<100MillionD...@DeadMillions.Nix>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
> >>>>>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that
> >>>>>> of peon cubans!
>
> >>>>> Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China
>
> >>>> When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?
>
> >>> Now, when did he do that?
>
> >> Shut your fat canuck expat piehole, you Mt. Shasta drug addict.
>
> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8556086/Barack-
> > Obama-government-has-sold-its-final-stake-in-Chrysler.html
>
> >> The U.S. Treasury Department said on Thursday (June 2) it reached an
> >> agreement to sell its remaining 6 per cent equity stake in Chrysler to
> >> Italy's Fiat in a deal that will net Washington $560 million.
>
> > And what percent of one hundred percent is six percent,
>
> You haven't a clue have, you tubby?
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020351360457714165125166...
>
> January 5, 2012, 4:20 p.m. ET.Fiat Increases Ownership in Chrysler to 58.5%
>
> You can't get one damned thing right, can you?
>
> > In the meantime, did you shit your pants when all of Chrysler was sold to
> > Daimler back in the 80s?
>
> How damned STUPID are you anyway?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler_AG
>
> In a so-called "Merger Of Equals" Daimler-Benz AG and the American
> automobile manufacturer Chrysler Corporation merged in 1998 in an
> exchange of shares,[2] and formed DaimlerChrysler AG.
>
> Not one damned thing right, you stupid wheezing, fat canuck expat slimebag!

Only a pure wingnut could cite two proofs of what their opponent just
said, then say "ha! I win!"

On 10/15/2012 9:22 AM, Phlip wrote:
>>>>>> Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China
>>
>>>>> When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?
>>
>>>> I'm aware you are too stupid to get the point, but Fiat ain't RED.
>>>> That means Communist.
>>
>>> So it's OK to sell American companies to non-commie foreigners?
>
> yeah, and it's also okay to snip the most important context just to
> pretend you have a point: Regardless of who is stupid enough to invest
> in Chrysler, THE JOBS ARE STILL HERE.

Where are the PROFITS?

Italy?

In a STATE_OWNED automaker???

What did the UAW get in exchange?

http://www.openmarket.org/2009/05/08/gangster-government-gave-chrysler-to-the-uaw-examiner/

�Gangster government gave Chrysler to the UAW�

So reads the Washington Examiner�s editorial today about how Obama 
effectively gave ownership of Chrysler to the United Auto Workers Union 
(which spent millions electing Obama), rather than taxpayers (who have 
spent billions to bail out Chrysler) or the institutions that lent money 
to Chrysler based on the legal right and expectation that they would 
receive its assets before the UAW union would. Veteran political 
commentator Michael Barone also calls it �gangster government.� The UAW 
will also retain �lucrative� pension and health benefits, courtesy of 
the taxpayer.

The liberal USA Today put it more gently, but it, too, criticized the 
Obama Administration. Obama demonized the institutional creditors, like 
hedge funds, that helped Chrysler when it needed funds, and then were 
given the shaft in his sweetheart deal benefiting the UAW. He branded 
them as �speculators� when they objected to it, and then arranged a 
collusive sale of the company in all but name (giving up all its 
valuable assets) to circumvent their legal rights (a sale rubberstamped 
by a liberal bankruptcy judge). As a result of Obama�s attacks, these 
creditors have received death threats. Administration officials also 
threatened to smear the creditors in the press (which might violate the 
First Amendment).

But as USA Today notes, �those creditors have every right to balk. By 
doing so they are not only defending their own interests, they are 
standing up for the principles vital to functioning credit markets. 
Secured lenders get first dibs at recovering their losses if a company 
cannot meet its obligations. They will be less willing to lend if they 
fear they�ll be forced to surrender their position.�

While Chrysler�s lenders have lost almost all of their assets, the union 
has given up little. Indeed, USA Today notes, the UAW has �continued to 
press for retiree health benefits more generous than those available to 
taxpayers funding the bailout.� (Moderate Democrat Mickey Kaus describes 
UAW pension and health benefits under the deal as continuing to be 
�lucrative�).

As reporter and columnist Tim Carney notes, car czar (and Democratic 
fundraiser) Steven


�Rattner and Obama have decided that the United Auto Workers union 
should get 55 percent of Chrysler. At the same time, they�ve attacked 
many of Chrysler�s secured creditors � who, in a regular, nonpoliticized 
bankruptcy, would be repaid in full � for resisting this deal. In a 
federal complaint, these administration targets alleged: �The government 
exerted extreme pressure to coerce all of [Chrysler�s] constituencies 
into accepting a deal which is being done largely for the benefit of 
unsecured creditors at the expense of senior creditors.�

UAW�s political action committee spent $13.1 million last election 
cycle, a slow year for the union�s political arm. Of the PAC�s $2.3 
million in direct contributions to candidates and candidate PACs, more 
than 99 percent went to Democrats. Of 42 Senate candidates to get UAW 
money, only one was Republican, and that was Arlen Specter.

The union�s PAC also reported $4.5 million in independent expenditures 
supporting Obama, plus an additional $423,000 opposing John McCain.

So, here�s the arrangement: You pay your taxes, the Obama administration 
funnels some of the money to Chrysler, whose profits enrich the UAW, 
which in turn funds Obama�s re-election.

Predictability, precedent and the rule of law have been replaced with 
the fiat of politicians. Chrysler could become a pass-through entity 
from taxpayers to the Democratic Party. And in charge of it all is a 
Democratic fundraiser. Boss Tweed would be proud.�


> Now let's hear you whine about how Obama's a "Socialist",

Oh let HIM tell you about that, you Caliphonya phony:

http://www.examiner.com/article/flyer-reveals-barack-obama-headlined-socialist-event-1996

On Thursday, Buzzfeed's Andrew Kaczynski published what he described as 
a "little-seen advertisement that ran in the Hyde Park Herald in 1996" 
showing then state senate candidate Barack Obama listed on a panel 
sponsored by the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), University of 
Chicago Democrats, and University of Chicago DSA.

Obama's ties to the socialist group was discovered in October 2008 by 
the Politically Drunk On Power blog, causing Newsbusters' P. J. Gladnick 
to wonder if the so-called mainstream media (known here as the 
Democrat-media complex) would report it.

View slideshow: DSA flyer highlighting Obama

. .
"The mainstream media thought that the membership of Todd Palin, who is 
not a candidate for any office, in the Alaska Independence Party 
important enough to report in such outlets as the Los Angeles Times, 
MSNBC, and the New York Times, among others," he wrote.

He asked: "So now that Barack Obama's membership in the far left New 
Party has been unearthed, will they report his membership in that 
Socialist organization?"

In 2008, the blog that made the discovery said that "[a]fter allegations 
surfaced in early summer over the 'New Party's' endorsement of Obama, 
the Obama campaign along with the remnants of the New Party and 
Democratic Socialists of America claimed that Obama was never a member 
of either organization."

"The DSA and 'New Party' then systematically attempted to cover up any 
ties between Obama and the Socialist Organizations. However, it now 
appears that Barack Obama was indeed a certified and acknowledged member 
of the DSA's New Party," the blog said.

Trevor Loudon wrote Thursday that while Obama has been connected to the 
organization "for at least 30 years," this is the only DSA event Obama 
can be linked to with documentary evidence.

According to a Chicago DSA report of the event, Obama spoke glowingly of 
the role government should play in creating "productive communities."

"The state government can also play a role in redistribution, the 
allocation of wages and jobs," the report said.

The Chicago DSA also endorsed Barack Obama in the 1996 election.

Loudon adds that of the panelists shown on the 1996 flyer, "William 
Julius Wilson and Joseph Schwartz were both confirmed DSA members, Toni 
Preckwinkle, was a long time DSA affiliate, and Michael Dawson was a 
later founder of the Marxist lead Black Radical Congress and a supporter 
of Obama friend and former Weather Underground terrorist leader Bill Ayers."

Jim Hoft of the Gateway Pundit asked: "Can we call him a socialist now?"

----------------------------------------------------------------


> and how you want to vote for Romney, whose best buddies


No, I won;t be taking the word of some Caliphonyan libitard who spends 
life kvetching on alt.fan.rush-limbaugh for ANY_thing.

Drop dead, you commie puke!

On 10/15/2012 9:31 AM, Phlip wrote:
> On Oct 15, 8:25 am, lib_o_matic<r...@co.bass>  wrote:
>> On 10/15/2012 8:50 AM, 3196 Dead wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:09:03 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>>
>>>> On 10/14/2012 9:58 PM, 3196 Dead wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:45:03 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On 10/14/2012 8:27 PM, Phlip wrote:
>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, 100 Million Dead<100MillionD...@DeadMillions.Nix>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the United
>>>>>>>> States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse to that
>>>>>>>> of peon cubans!
>>
>>>>>>> Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China
>>
>>>>>> When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?
>>
>>>>> Now, when did he do that?
>>
>>>> Shut your fat canuck expat piehole, you Mt. Shasta drug addict.
>>
>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8556086/Barack-
>>> Obama-government-has-sold-its-final-stake-in-Chrysler.html
>>
>>>> The U.S. Treasury Department said on Thursday (June 2) it reached an
>>>> agreement to sell its remaining 6 per cent equity stake in Chrysler to
>>>> Italy's Fiat in a deal that will net Washington $560 million.
>>
>>> And what percent of one hundred percent is six percent,
>>
>> You haven't a clue have, you tubby?
>>
>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020351360457714165125166...
>>
>> January 5, 2012, 4:20 p.m. ET.Fiat Increases Ownership in Chrysler to 58.5%
>>
>> You can't get one damned thing right, can you?
>>
>>> In the meantime, did you shit your pants when all of Chrysler was sold to
>>> Daimler back in the 80s?
>>
>> How damned STUPID are you anyway?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler_AG
>>
>> In a so-called "Merger Of Equals" Daimler-Benz AG and the American
>> automobile manufacturer Chrysler Corporation merged in 1998 in an
>> exchange of shares,[2] and formed DaimlerChrysler AG.
>>
>> Not one damned thing right, you stupid wheezing, fat canuck expat slimebag!
>
> Only a pure wingnut could cite two proofs

You're a left coast commie puke flipper, you and your witless "Ashlita", 
you GD traitor to America!


http://www.openmarket.org/2009/05/08/gangster-government-gave-chrysler-to-the-uaw-examiner/

�Gangster government gave Chrysler to the UAW�

So reads the Washington Examiner�s editorial today about how Obama 
effectively gave ownership of Chrysler to the United Auto Workers Union 
(which spent millions electing Obama), rather than taxpayers (who have 
spent billions to bail out Chrysler) or the institutions that lent money 
to Chrysler based on the legal right and expectation that they would 
receive its assets before the UAW union would. Veteran political 
commentator Michael Barone also calls it �gangster government.� The UAW 
will also retain �lucrative� pension and health benefits, courtesy of 
the taxpayer.

The liberal USA Today put it more gently, but it, too, criticized the 
Obama Administration. Obama demonized the institutional creditors, like 
hedge funds, that helped Chrysler when it needed funds, and then were 
given the shaft in his sweetheart deal benefiting the UAW. He branded 
them as �speculators� when they objected to it, and then arranged a 
collusive sale of the company in all but name (giving up all its 
valuable assets) to circumvent their legal rights (a sale rubberstamped 
by a liberal bankruptcy judge). As a result of Obama�s attacks, these 
creditors have received death threats. Administration officials also 
threatened to smear the creditors in the press (which might violate the 
First Amendment).

But as USA Today notes, �those creditors have every right to balk. By 
doing so they are not only defending their own interests, they are 
standing up for the principles vital to functioning credit markets. 
Secured lenders get first dibs at recovering their losses if a company 
cannot meet its obligations. They will be less willing to lend if they 
fear they�ll be forced to surrender their position.�

While Chrysler�s lenders have lost almost all of their assets, the union 
has given up little. Indeed, USA Today notes, the UAW has �continued to 
press for retiree health benefits more generous than those available to 
taxpayers funding the bailout.� (Moderate Democrat Mickey Kaus describes 
UAW pension and health benefits under the deal as continuing to be 
�lucrative�).

As reporter and columnist Tim Carney notes, car czar (and Democratic 
fundraiser) Steven


�Rattner and Obama have decided that the United Auto Workers union 
should get 55 percent of Chrysler. At the same time, they�ve attacked 
many of Chrysler�s secured creditors � who, in a regular, nonpoliticized 
bankruptcy, would be repaid in full � for resisting this deal. In a 
federal complaint, these administration targets alleged: �The government 
exerted extreme pressure to coerce all of [Chrysler�s] constituencies 
into accepting a deal which is being done largely for the benefit of 
unsecured creditors at the expense of senior creditors.�

UAW�s political action committee spent $13.1 million last election 
cycle, a slow year for the union�s political arm. Of the PAC�s $2.3 
million in direct contributions to candidates and candidate PACs, more 
than 99 percent went to Democrats. Of 42 Senate candidates to get UAW 
money, only one was Republican, and that was Arlen Specter.

The union�s PAC also reported $4.5 million in independent expenditures 
supporting Obama, plus an additional $423,000 opposing John McCain.

So, here�s the arrangement: You pay your taxes, the Obama administration 
funnels some of the money to Chrysler, whose profits enrich the UAW, 
which in turn funds Obama�s re-election.

Predictability, precedent and the rule of law have been replaced with 
the fiat of politicians. Chrysler could become a pass-through entity 
from taxpayers to the Democratic Party. And in charge of it all is a 
Democratic fundraiser. Boss Tweed would be proud.�

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:31:04 -0700, Phlip wrote:

> On Oct 15, 8:25 am, lib_o_matic <r...@co.bass> wrote:
>> On 10/15/2012 8:50 AM, 3196 Dead wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:09:03 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>>
>> >> On 10/14/2012 9:58 PM, 3196 Dead wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:45:03 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>>
>> >>>> On 10/14/2012 8:27 PM, Phlip wrote:
>> >>>>> On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, 100 Million
>> >>>>> Dead<100MillionD...@DeadMillions.Nix>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the
>> >>>>>> United States as we know it. Our standard of living will
>> >>>>>> collapse to that of peon cubans!
>>
>> >>>>> Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China
>>
>> >>>> When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?
>>
>> >>> Now, when did he do that?
>>
>> >> Shut your fat canuck expat piehole, you Mt. Shasta drug addict.
>>
>> >>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8556086/Barack-
>> > Obama-government-has-sold-its-final-stake-in-Chrysler.html
>>
>> >> The U.S. Treasury Department said on Thursday (June 2) it reached an
>> >> agreement to sell its remaining 6 per cent equity stake in Chrysler
>> >> to Italy's Fiat in a deal that will net Washington $560 million.
>>
>> > And what percent of one hundred percent is six percent,
>>
>> You haven't a clue have, you tubby?
>>
>> http://online.wsj.com/article/
SB1000142405297020351360457714165125166...
>>
>> January 5, 2012, 4:20 p.m. ET.Fiat Increases Ownership in Chrysler to
>> 58.5%
>>
>> You can't get one damned thing right, can you?
>>
>> > In the meantime, did you shit your pants when all of Chrysler was
>> > sold to Daimler back in the 80s?
>>
>> How damned STUPID are you anyway?
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler_AG
>>
>> In a so-called "Merger Of Equals" Daimler-Benz AG and the American
>> automobile manufacturer Chrysler Corporation merged in 1998 in an
>> exchange of shares,[2] and formed DaimlerChrysler AG.
>>
>> Not one damned thing right, you stupid wheezing, fat canuck expat
>> slimebag!
> 
> Only a pure wingnut could cite two proofs of what their opponent just
> said, then say "ha! I win!"

Well, it was in the 90s, not the 80s.  I did get that wrong.

Just lucky for Chrysler that Bain Capital didn't get their rapacious 
little claws on them.

On 10/15/2012 9:50 AM, 3196 Dead wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:31:04 -0700, Phlip wrote:
>
>> On Oct 15, 8:25 am, lib_o_matic<r...@co.bass>  wrote:
>>> On 10/15/2012 8:50 AM, 3196 Dead wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:09:03 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On 10/14/2012 9:58 PM, 3196 Dead wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:45:03 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/14/2012 8:27 PM, Phlip wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Oct 14, 5:00 pm, 100 Million
>>>>>>>> Dead<100MillionD...@DeadMillions.Nix>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the
>>>>>>>>> United States as we know it. Our standard of living will
>>>>>>>>> collapse to that of peon cubans!
>>>
>>>>>>>> Gee, maybe we need Romney to send ALL our Jobs to Red China
>>>
>>>>>>> When you have Obama to sell Chrysler to FIAT?
>>>
>>>>>> Now, when did he do that?
>>>
>>>>> Shut your fat canuck expat piehole, you Mt. Shasta drug addict.
>>>
>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8556086/Barack-
>>>> Obama-government-has-sold-its-final-stake-in-Chrysler.html
>>>
>>>>> The U.S. Treasury Department said on Thursday (June 2) it reached an
>>>>> agreement to sell its remaining 6 per cent equity stake in Chrysler
>>>>> to Italy's Fiat in a deal that will net Washington $560 million.
>>>
>>>> And what percent of one hundred percent is six percent,
>>>
>>> You haven't a clue have, you tubby?
>>>
>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/
> SB1000142405297020351360457714165125166...
>>>
>>> January 5, 2012, 4:20 p.m. ET.Fiat Increases Ownership in Chrysler to
>>> 58.5%
>>>
>>> You can't get one damned thing right, can you?
>>>
>>>> In the meantime, did you shit your pants when all of Chrysler was
>>>> sold to Daimler back in the 80s?
>>>
>>> How damned STUPID are you anyway?
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler_AG
>>>
>>> In a so-called "Merger Of Equals" Daimler-Benz AG and the American
>>> automobile manufacturer Chrysler Corporation merged in 1998 in an
>>> exchange of shares,[2] and formed DaimlerChrysler AG.
>>>
>>> Not one damned thing right, you stupid wheezing, fat canuck expat
>>> slimebag!
>>
>> Only a pure wingnut could cite two proofs of what their opponent just
>> said, then say "ha! I win!"
>
> Well, it was in the 90s, not the 80s.  I did get that wrong.

You got ALL of it wrong, not just that, fat boi!

> Just lucky for Chrysler that Bain Capital didn't get their rapacious
> little claws on them.

Like Cerberus did?

Shoot, all they did was sell it back to Obama who SOLD us ALL out to 
Italy and the UAW, no biggie, right commie?

On Oct 15, 8:50 am, 3196 Dead <d...@gone.com> wrote:

> >> In a so-called "Merger Of Equals" Daimler-Benz AG and the American
> >> automobile manufacturer Chrysler Corporation merged in 1998 in an
> >> exchange of shares,[2] and formed DaimlerChrysler AG.

> Well, it was in the 90s, not the 80s.  I did get that wrong.

It gets better.

Kent Beck, the inventor of the flagship Agile software process called
"Extreme Programming", invented [most of it] when he was brought in to
Chrysler to recover a dying Smalltalk project.

The new process worked great, and within 1.5 years the C3 project
(Chrysler Comprehensive Compensation) was successfully printing the
checks for good chunk of the workers. >25% or so. (The software
obstacle is that years of fidgeting between unions, managers &
politicians created an absurd patchwork of conflicting rules for the
bumps, deductions, and taxes from each check, depending on everything
from a worker's hire date to a plant's jurisdiction. Yes, unions &
taxes suck blah blah blah...)

When Daimler bought into Chrysler, they did not want to understand the
C3 project, so they simply added it to the usual arbitrary list of
"things to cut".

Hence, to this day, whenever some frootloop blogger wants to try to
make a name for themselves, they can cite Daimler dropping the C3
project to detract from Extreme Programming ~ invariably in ways that
prove they don't understand it. (Sound familiar?)

They will say stupid things like, "Unfortunately, the C3 project was
so full of bugs that failed on 75% percent of the checks." That is
patently false, because the software process worked via "phased
delivery". The C3 project successfully targeted 25% of the paychecks,
and disregarded the rest. Control over your exact feature set is _not_
the same thing as "surprise bugs". C3 simply declined to print the
remaining checks, and it efficiently allowed the old system to print
them.

But because Daimler dumped XP, detractors can then say,
"Unfortunately, before Chrysler abandoned XP, other teams thought it
would work, and they started adopting it too!"

Yes, it rankles when you missed a new wave of progress when lots of
early adopters got in before you. But to this day Chrysler still uses
the XP process...

Sounds familiar, right? C-;

On Oct 15, 8:57 am, lib_o_matic <r...@co.bass> wrote:

> > Well, it was in the 90s, not the 80s.  I did get that wrong.
>
> You got ALL of it wrong, not just that, fat boi!

I'm thinking "silapond". Right?

lib_o_matic <rov@co.bass> wrote in news:k5h832$m3l$4@dont-email.me:

> On 10/15/2012 6:59 AM, Matt wrote:
>> lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>  wrote in news:k5g0mu$ajt$3@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 10/14/2012 6:05 PM, Matt wrote:
>>>> 100 Million Dead<100MillionDead@DeadMillions.Nix>   wrote in
>>>> news:ELSdnc68p-Wyz-bNnZ2dnUVZ5hmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-end-
o
>>>>> f-th e- united-states
>>>>>
>>>>> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the
>>>>> United States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse
>>>>> to that of peon cubans!
>>>>
>>>> Good. You should leave.
>>>>
>>>> Now would be good, get a head start.
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>
>>> You first - traitor.
>>>
>>
>> Yes,
> Yes, get the fuck out.
> 

<chuckle>

Bye bye, little traitor that wants to run away.


Matt

On 10/15/2012 10:11 AM, Phlip wrote:
> On Oct 15, 8:50 am, 3196 Dead<d...@gone.com>  wrote:
>
>>>> In a so-called "Merger Of Equals" Daimler-Benz AG and the American
>>>> automobile manufacturer Chrysler Corporation merged in 1998 in an
>>>> exchange of shares,[2] and formed DaimlerChrysler AG.
>
>> Well, it was in the 90s, not the 80s.  I did get that wrong.
>
> It gets better.
>
> Kent Beck, the inventor of the flagship Agile software process called
> "Extreme Programming", invented [most of it] when he was brought


Non sequitur, fuck off.

On 10/15/2012 10:11 AM, Phlip wrote:
> On Oct 15, 8:57 am, lib_o_matic<r...@co.bass>  wrote:
>
>>> Well, it was in the 90s, not the 80s.  I did get that wrong.
>>
>> You got ALL of it wrong, not just that, fat boi!
>
> I'm thinking "silapond". Right?

I'm thinking you may be balmy, right?

On 10/15/2012 12:20 PM, Matt wrote:
> lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>  wrote in news:k5h832$m3l$4@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 10/15/2012 6:59 AM, Matt wrote:
>>> lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>   wrote in news:k5g0mu$ajt$3@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 10/14/2012 6:05 PM, Matt wrote:
>>>>> 100 Million Dead<100MillionDead@DeadMillions.Nix>    wrote in
>>>>> news:ELSdnc68p-Wyz-bNnZ2dnUVZ5hmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-end-
> o
>>>>>> f-th e- united-states
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the
>>>>>> United States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse
>>>>>> to that of peon cubans!
>>>>>
>>>>> Good. You should leave.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now would be good, get a head start.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>> You first - traitor.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes,
>> Yes, get the fuck out.
>>
>
> <chuckle>
>
> Bye bye,

Good, don't come back.

lib_o_matic <rov@co.bass> wrote in news:k5ho11$48k$6@dont-email.me:

> On 10/15/2012 12:20 PM, Matt wrote:
>> lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>  wrote in news:k5h832$m3l$4@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 10/15/2012 6:59 AM, Matt wrote:
>>>> lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>   wrote in news:k5g0mu$ajt$3@dont-
email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/14/2012 6:05 PM, Matt wrote:
>>>>>> 100 Million Dead<100MillionDead@DeadMillions.Nix>    wrote in
>>>>>> news:ELSdnc68p-Wyz-bNnZ2dnUVZ5hmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-
end-
>> o
>>>>>>> f-th e- united-states
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the
>>>>>>> United States as we know it. Our standard of living will 
collapse
>>>>>>> to that of peon cubans!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good. You should leave.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now would be good, get a head start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>
>>>>> You first - traitor.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes,
>>> Yes, get the fuck out.
>>>
>>
>> <chuckle>
>>
>> Bye bye,
> 
> Good, don't come back.
> 

Sorry, kiddo, I have a family and job here.

You have nothing to lose, which explains your stupidity.

Matt

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:26:36 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:

> On 10/15/2012 12:20 PM, Matt wrote:
>> lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>  wrote in news:k5h832$m3l$4@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 10/15/2012 6:59 AM, Matt wrote:
>>>> lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>   wrote in news:k5g0mu$ajt$3@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/14/2012 6:05 PM, Matt wrote:
>>>>>> 100 Million Dead<100MillionDead@DeadMillions.Nix>    wrote in
>>>>>> news:ELSdnc68p-Wyz-bNnZ2dnUVZ5hmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-end-
>> o
>>>>>>> f-th e- united-states
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the
>>>>>>> United States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse
>>>>>>> to that of peon cubans!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good. You should leave.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now would be good, get a head start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>
>>>>> You first - traitor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes,
>>> Yes, get the fuck out.
>>>
>>>
>> <chuckle>
>>
>> Bye bye,
> 
> Good, don't come back.

Well, time to dump the asshole troll.  He's obviously a waste of time.

On 10/15/2012 1:31 PM, Matt wrote:
> lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>  wrote in news:k5ho11$48k$6@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 10/15/2012 12:20 PM, Matt wrote:
>>> lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>   wrote in news:k5h832$m3l$4@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 10/15/2012 6:59 AM, Matt wrote:
>>>>> lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>    wrote in news:k5g0mu$ajt$3@dont-
> email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/14/2012 6:05 PM, Matt wrote:
>>>>>>> 100 Million Dead<100MillionDead@DeadMillions.Nix>     wrote in
>>>>>>> news:ELSdnc68p-Wyz-bNnZ2dnUVZ5hmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-
> end-
>>> o
>>>>>>>> f-th e- united-states
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the
>>>>>>>> United States as we know it. Our standard of living will
> collapse
>>>>>>>> to that of peon cubans!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good. You should leave.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now would be good, get a head start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You first - traitor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes,
>>>> Yes, get the fuck out.
>>>>
>>>
>>> <chuckle>
>>>
>>> Bye bye,
>>
>> Good, don't come back.
>>
>
> Sorry, kiddo,

Nope, go.

Btw, you want a cascade, I'll take this into the next year!

On 10/15/2012 1:35 PM, 3196 Dead wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:26:36 -0600, lib_o_matic wrote:
>
>> On 10/15/2012 12:20 PM, Matt wrote:
>>> lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>   wrote in news:k5h832$m3l$4@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 10/15/2012 6:59 AM, Matt wrote:
>>>>> lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>    wrote in news:k5g0mu$ajt$3@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/14/2012 6:05 PM, Matt wrote:
>>>>>>> 100 Million Dead<100MillionDead@DeadMillions.Nix>     wrote in
>>>>>>> news:ELSdnc68p-Wyz-bNnZ2dnUVZ5hmdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/will-this-be-the-end-
>>> o
>>>>>>>> f-th e- united-states
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will This Be The End Of The United States?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes if Obama and the Democrata win, it will be the end of the
>>>>>>>> United States as we know it. Our standard of living will collapse
>>>>>>>> to that of peon cubans!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good. You should leave.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now would be good, get a head start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You first - traitor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes,
>>>> Yes, get the fuck out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> <chuckle>
>>>
>>> Bye bye,
>>
>> Good, don't come back.
>
> Well, time to dump the asshole troll.  He's obviously a waste of time.


Interesting...so who started this thread?

Moi?

Non.

Sod off, expat hoser.

On 10/15/2012 1:25 PM, An tSin Gorm wrote:
> In article<k5hb5s$f8p$1@dont-email.me>, lib_o_matic<rov@co.bass>  wrote:
>
>> In a STATE_OWNED automaker???
>
> Mother of mercy! Is this end of Little Rico?
>



http://online.wsj.com/

Mr. Obama told Americans in 2009 that if he did not turn around the 
economy in three years his Presidency would be "a one-term proposition." 
Joe Biden said three years ago that the $830 billion economic stimulus 
was working beyond his "wildest dreams" and he famously promised several 
months after the Obama stimulus was enacted that Americans would enjoy a 
"summer of recovery." That was more than three years ago.

In early 2009 soon-to-be White House economists Ms. Romer and Mr. 
Bernstein promised Congress that the stimulus would hold the 
unemployment rate below 7% and that by now it would be 5.6%


REVIEW & OUTLOOKUpdated August 24, 2012, 6:53 p.m. ET.

Negative $4,019
The Obama years have been brutal on middle-class incomes.

In January 2009, the month President Obama entered the Oval Office and 
shortly before he signed his stimulus spending bill, median household 
income was $54,983. By June 2012, it had tumbled to $50,964, adjusted 
for inflation. (See the chart nearby.) That's $4,019 in lost real 
income, a little less than a month's income every year.

> Mr. Obama told Americans in 2009 that if he did not turn around the
> economy in three years his Presidency would be "a one-term proposition."

He "turned around" the recession - meaning restored growth - only a
couple months after taking office.

And his jobs growth ever since has exceeded the previous record-
holder's, Clinton's.

As has his reduction of the deficit & debt...

On 10/18/2012 1:30 PM, Phlip wrote:
>> Mr. Obama told Americans in 2009 that if he did not turn around the
>> economy in three years his Presidency would be "a one-term proposition."
>
> He "turned around" the recession -

You're going to LEARN today, you lying Dem-o-turd:


http://online.wsj.com/

Mr. Obama told Americans in 2009 that if he did not turn around the 
economy in three years his Presidency would be "a one-term proposition." 
Joe Biden said three years ago that the $830 billion economic stimulus 
was working beyond his "wildest dreams" and he famously promised several 
months after the Obama stimulus was enacted that Americans would enjoy a 
"summer of recovery." That was more than three years ago.

In early 2009 soon-to-be White House economists Ms. Romer and Mr. 
Bernstein promised Congress that the stimulus would hold the 
unemployment rate below 7% and that by now it would be 5.6%.

REVIEW & OUTLOOKUpdated August 24, 2012, 6:53 p.m. ET.

Negative $4,019
The Obama years have been brutal on middle-class incomes..

The Presidential race is boiling down to one dominant issue: which 
party's policies will do more to help the financially stressed American 
middle class. President Obama's campaign theme is that Mitt Romney and 
the Republicans cater to the rich, while Mr. Obama cares about 
struggling families.

He may care, but he sure hasn't done much for them. New income data from 
the Census Bureau, tabulated by former Census income specialists at the 
nonpartisan economic consulting firm Sentier Research, reveal that the 
three-and-a-half years of the Obama Presidency have done enormous harm 
to middle-class households.
In January 2009, the month President Obama entered the Oval Office and 
shortly before he signed his stimulus spending bill, median household 
income was $54,983. By June 2012, it had tumbled to $50,964, adjusted 
for inflation. (See the chart nearby.) That's $4,019 in lost real 
income, a little less than a month's income every year.