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Ravchaz (ravchaz@aol.com) wrote:
: Not to confuse the issue by bringing in facts, but the offensive comments were
: not really made in response to a question but rather to an interjection. A
: question *was* asked about the b'racha "she-lo asani isha" (thanking God for
: not creating one as a woman) and one of the female soldiers from the
: Conservative garin pointed out that not all Jews say that. It was at this point
: that the lieutenant began his tirade.

thanks for the facts (_: my main question was whether he prepared his remarks
as part of his lecture (then he would have been steering to trouble) 
or expressed it on the spot.

: to say that he didn't consider the Conservative reformulation of that bracha
: valid, he could just have said that and I am sure no discipline would have
: ensued. It wasn't necessary for him to go into all the "worse than the
: Holocaust" stuff."

I would not go into speculating about appropriate good manners in a 
conversation I was not part of. we all know, how words lead to other words, 
etc.


: His removal was appropriate, even though it should be pointed out that the
: Conservative movement never requested he be dismissed. The man was in direct
: command of a group of soldiers affiliated with Conservative Judaism and had
: gratuitously insulted, and thus lost the respect of, his troops.

this answers my question to Naomi - what would be the problem. you say -
he lost respect of his troops. first, is it of all troops or of these
particular soldiers. 2nd, do we know it for sure (did soldiers testify
that they lost respect to their commander, for example?)

: And no, I wasn't there, but I know the father of the female soldier who made
: the comment which ultimately resulted in the whole broohaha.

great we have someone who knows the facts. I wonder who pressed the
charges - the soldier or who? someone had to at least report the
incident.

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Simcha Streltsov		disclaimer, as requested by Mo-he S-rr
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