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Article #314Re: IDF officer discharged for insulting Conservative and Reform Judaism( soc.culture.jewish)
From: Sheldon Glickler
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 00:00
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 00:00
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In article <84amad$emj$1@news1.bu.edu>, simon1@bu.edu (Simcha Streltsov) wrote: > X-Orig-MsgId: <84ama5$dro$1@news1.bu.edu> > > Naomi Gayle Rivkis (nrivkis@concentric.net) wrote: > : >Now, what should he have done - should he have lied and say something > > : I thhink he should have politely declined to answer the question on > : the grounds that he's first and foremost a military commander, and has > : to remain officially impartial on certain issues in order to do his > : job effectively. > > again, I go by memory, but I thought it was a lecture, not a discussion > in front of the nuclear weapon button. If the lecturer is not entitled > to judge values of various historical events - you will probably agree, > it is no lecture. > > now, if he'd have judged, say, policies of Sadukees or J4J or Russian > Evsektsiya - noone would care less - even if there are people who would > find positive in any of those groups. > > So, it seems that the only problem was that the members of those > groups were present at the lecture. so, does the fact that they > now know of their commander's attitude towards non-O groups will > prevent them from being good soldiers under his command? do all > soldiers will stop functioning knowing that their commander is > of low opinion of their views? > > I am not sure - maybe we can speculate in detail what exactly will > go wrong > > ps again, for flamers, I am assuming that commander's opinion is > a reasonable informed opinion albeit disputable. Simcha, and all the O supporters of this officer: What if the shoe were on the other foot. Suppose he said that the O are parasites who feed off the backs of rest of the Israelis and that these bloodsuckers are worse than the vermin in the street. (Of course, I in no way share this view, but I am trying to do a Ringwertz here). Suppose he had said that in front of his troops, some of them in kippot and peyes? If he had been dismissed for that, **I** would have supported that dismissal. How about you? Honestly, now, look inwards and tell me whether or not you would be calling for his reinstatement. (BTW, IMO that ridiculous diatribe is small potatoes compared to "worse than the Holocaust"). Shelly -- Please reply to sheldon + lg@earthlink.net. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1552e4,dc45e1d400da9166 X-Google-Attributes: gid1552e4,public From: Sheldon Glickler <sheldong5178@my-deja.com> Subject: Re: IDF officer discharged for insulting Conservative and Reform Judaism( soc.culture.jewish) Date: 1999/12/28 Message-ID: <84apc7$5d5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Deja-AN: 565698310 References: <83tktm$ng4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19991223224255.01753.00001392@ng-bk1.aol.com><3862fa66.22155701@news.erols.com> <B488E960.6C54%joel@nasw.org> <8488r3$h6r$2@news1.bu.edu> <3867a790.9888935@news.cris.com> <84amad$emj$1@news1.bu.edu> X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.64.185.2 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 28 16:51:15 1999 GMT X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsheldong5178 Newsgroups: bu.localpostings X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows NT; DigExt)