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(viewpoints A, B and C--me)

> >You seem to think that nothing else is viable or can even get started. 
> >I am getting the feeling that your motivations in this, are like that of 
> >many others, a social and political agenda. 
> > 
> >
> 
> No, I feel just as hopeless at this point about political or social 
> agendas. I truely think we're screwed and at best we can try to navigate 
> the mess on a small scale.
> 
> There's not enough solar energy for us to capture to keep human 
> civilization in it's current mode. And certainly not enough to fuel 
> growth, and we're using up the fossil forms of energy.
> 
> The only thing that could put off the crisis past our lifetimes, is some 
> sort of Star Trek solution. Something that doesn't exist for us yet.

The only Star Trek solution I see is to get aboard a spaceship and get
the hell out of here--fast. Other than that there may be a revolution
of some sort to bring back evolution back into place. The dinosaurs
don't want to evolve but we have to push them a little bit...

Do you see Star Trek in this picture? It's one of those dots...

http://pub36.bravenet.com/forum/302...7/fetch/330301/

> 
> >>A modern turkey factory needs electricity, natrual gas, trucked in food, 
> >>antibiotics, a medical station, offices, shipping and receiving docks, a 
> >>processing area, full time verterinarians, a steady supply of food and 
> >>water, maintenance and materials, a parking lot for employees.... All of 
> >>these produced or powered by fossil fuels. Once the oil and natural gas 
> >>are gone, centralized factory farms will be too expensive to operate.
> >> 
> >>
> >
> >You know what is also dependent on fossil fuels? Oil rigs, coal mines, 
> >oil tankers, pumps for pipe lines, refineries, etc. Yet, even though they 
> >run on the fuels they produce, they still work. Agricultural waste based 
> >fuel could fuel the agriculture in the same manner that a oil tanker has 
> >diesel fuel powered engines to get the oil from A to B. 
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> They sure are. In fact pretty much everything we know is powered by 
> fossil fuels. If it weren't for fossil fuels, we wouldn't have this 
> discussion and I wouldn't be enjoying a cold beer brewed hundreds of 
> miles away.
> 
> If I thought there was a solution, I'd be promoting it. I'm to the point 
> now were I don't see anything but regression as the path we'll be forced 
> to take. And I know we won't take it willingly. We'll fight that path 
> with guns, knives, clubs, nukes, disease,... you name it. We'll kill 
> each other for the last scraps all the way down. Because at heart, we 
> are fighters and scrappers. It's the reason we chose to take the oil in 
> Iraq as revenge for what a Saudi is said to have done to us. Soon we'll 
> be at war with Iran, then we'll have troops in Libya. Saudi Arabia will 
> see unrest and our troops will be there... We'll bring back the draft 
> and the only value the US will have for the world is the value a 
> mercenary force can provide.
> 
> There's a reason the US Industrial base is being shipped to Asia. It's 
> because the energy is cheaper there than in the US. And the folks making 
> their fortunes on manufacturing know it. And they don't care where their 
> employees are. They live anywhere in the world they want. They have no 
> national affiliations and they know it's time to abandon the US.
> 
> Have a nice day.
> 
> Jack Dingler

Welcome to a brave new world, the world of the jungle... 

http://committed.to/justiceforpeace