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(viewpoints A, B and C--me)

> >You seem to think that nothing else is viable or can even get started. 
> >I am getting the feeling that your motivations in this, are like that of 
> >many others, a social and political agenda. 
> > 
> No, I feel just as hopeless at this point about political or social 
> agendas. I truely think we're screwed and at best we can try to navigate 
> the mess on a small scale.
> 
> There's not enough solar energy for us to capture to keep human 
> civilization in it's current mode. And certainly not enough to fuel 
> growth, and we're using up the fossil forms of energy.
> 
> The only thing that could put off the crisis past our lifetimes, is some 
> sort of Star Trek solution. Something that doesn't exist for us yet.

The only Star Trek solution I see is to get aboard a spaceship and get
the hell out of here--fast. Other than that there may be a revolution
of some sort to bring back evolution back into place. The dinosaurs
don't want to evolve but we have to push them a little bit...

Do you see Star Trek in this picture? It's one of those dots...

http://pub36.bravenet.com/forum/302...7/fetch/330301/

> 
> >>A modern turkey factory needs electricity, natrual gas, trucked in food, 
> >>antibiotics, a medical station, offices, shipping and receiving docks, a 
> >>processing area, full time verterinarians, a steady supply of food and 
> >>water, maintenance and materials, a parking lot for employees.... All of 
> >>these produced or powered by fossil fuels. Once the oil and natural gas 
> >>are gone, centralized factory farms will be too expensive to operate.
> >> 

> >You know what is also dependent on fossil fuels? Oil rigs, coal mines, 
> >oil tankers, pumps for pipe lines, refineries, etc. Yet, even though they 
> >run on the fuels they produce, they still work. Agricultural waste based 
> >fuel could fuel the agriculture in the same manner that a oil tanker has 
> >diesel fuel powered engines to get the oil from A to B. 
> >
> They sure are. In fact pretty much everything we know is powered by 
> fossil fuels. If it weren't for fossil fuels, we wouldn't have this 
> discussion and I wouldn't be enjoying a cold beer brewed hundreds of 
> miles away.
> 
> If I thought there was a solution, I'd be promoting it. I'm to the point 
> now were I don't see anything but regression as the path we'll be forced 
> to take. And I know we won't take it willingly. We'll fight that path 
> with guns, knives, clubs, nukes, disease,... you name it. We'll kill 
> each other for the last scraps all the way down. Because at heart, we 
> are fighters and scrappers. It's the reason we chose to take the oil in 
> Iraq as revenge for what a Saudi is said to have done to us. Soon we'll 
> be at war with Iran, then we'll have troops in Libya. Saudi Arabia will 
> see unrest and our troops will be there... We'll bring back the draft 
> and the only value the US will have for the world is the value a 
> mercenary force can provide.
> 
> There's a reason the US Industrial base is being shipped to Asia. It's 
> because the energy is cheaper there than in the US. And the folks making 
> their fortunes on manufacturing know it. And they don't care where their 
> employees are. They live anywhere in the world they want. They have no 
> national affiliations and they know it's time to abandon the US.
> 
> Have a nice day.
> 
> Jack Dingler

Welcome to a brave new world, the world of the jungle...

THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE 

Once upon a time, in the deep jungle, lived a Lion and a Monkey... One
day the Monkey, tired of the Lion always taking the LION'S SHARE, and
seeing that such injustice represented a danger to all the species of
the jungle, demanded JUSTICE... The Lion, yawning and stretching,
said, "You would have to have paws and sharp teeth..." Then the
Monkey, who was very clever, devised a plan: He would go to the
costume store, and look like a lion...

When the Lion saw him, noticing that the new lion wasn't a match for
him, and fearing COMPETITION, killed him on the spot --before the
indifferent look of the little animals of the jungle... And that's how
the Law of the Jungle was re-established one more time...

NOTE: Other monkeys survived him... 

THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE II 

After killing the monkey dressed as a lion, the Lion gathered all the
little animals of the jungle and announced: "Today we have
successfully eradicated one of the major threats to the peace and
order of our jungle... Yes, a new lion, probably envious of us,
attacked without warning... Luckily --because you know how good is
suffering for the spirit-- your sacrifice gave me strong paws and
teeth... And yes, these mighty weapons were so useful to me that I
finished him off without a sweat... Anyhow, now it turns out that some
other of his accomplices are roaming around and trying to attack us...
So get ready for more suffering and restrictions, if not for a
catastrophe... But, of course, there's a place for you in heaven..."

Meanwhile, one of the little animals --who had been grazing all
along-- asked another, "What did he say?" "I think he said something
about a new lion," answered the other. To which the first animal
replied, "Another one!?"

Moral: We don't need lions or violent monkeys that become lions. No
Lion No Problem!

http://committed.to/justiceforpeace