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Article #436Re: Creeks and Sprawl (was: An example of how zealots . . .)
From: Carl Gooch
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1992 01:50
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1992 01:50
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In article <SLAGLE.92Jun8215457@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com>, slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle) writes: |> In article <1992Jun8.215300.7719@leland.Stanford.EDU>, gooch@leland.Stanford.EDU (Carl Gooch) writes: |> |> > Finally, as others have said before in this debate, I'm not advocating the |> > complete elimination of cars, just their sensible use. I do not consider |> > having everyone drive their car to work by themselves every day "sensible |> > use". |> |> The problem with this concession is that is not really much of one. |> You disavow the extreme, as most anyone would, but your statement |> implies that you think most people are not doing the right thing. |> Since we cannot expect everyone to agree about what constitutes |> "sensible use", you will need to provide some sort of lever if you |> think some adjustment is necessary. Since you say that the common |> practice of driving to work alone everyday is not "sensible", we may |> safely conclude that you want to make a modification to the decision |> that others have made. What force will you apply? |> |> If your answer goes beyond enforcing a reasonable allocation of the |> cost of the behavior, then you are letting yourself in for a big fight. |> On the other hand, if all you are saying is that you wish other people |> could be a little more like yourself, then I sympathize with your |> desire, if not your view. I'd happily settle for a reasonable allocation of all costs. I'm not about to advocate anything stronger, because I get mad as hell when people try to "legislate morality" in other ways. I'm personally skeptical that any such allocation will take place, but I'm becoming more and more cynical the longer I stay in grad school. Carl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Carl Gooch | Why am I inside at a keyboard when gooch@leland.stanford.edu | I could be outside riding bike? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fd3ff,32d0223205c36d8d X-Google-Attributes: gidfd3ff,public X-Google-Thread: 10df74,32d0223205c36d8d X-Google-Attributes: gid10df74,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1992-06-10 05:49:18 PST Newsgroups: ca.environment,ba.transportation Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!stanford.edu!leland.Stanford.EDU!leland.Stanford.EDU!gooch From: gooch@leland.Stanford.EDU (Carl Gooch) Subject: Re: Creeks and Sprawl (was: An example of how zealots . . .) Message-ID: <1992Jun10.015035.10972@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA References: <1992May21.061714.22821@cypress.com> <JYM.92Jun2213217@remarque.berkeley.edu> <SLAGLE.92Jun8215457@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> Distribution: ca Date: Wed, 10 Jun 92 01:50:35 GMT Lines: 38