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Article #437Re: Creeks and Sprawl (was: An example of how zealots . . .)
From: Carl Gooch
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1992 01:57
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1992 01:57
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In article <1992Jun10.014330.10395@leland.Stanford.EDU>, gooch@leland.Stanford.EDU (Carl Gooch) writes: |> Direct costs: |> Purchase price |> Fuel price (gas/diesel vs. additional food) |> Upkeep costs (tires/oil/tuneups/etc vs. tires/chains/etc) |> Insurance and registration (more of a car issue than a bike issue) |> Misc. costs (parking, tolls, traffic tickets, etc, for both sides; some |> bike clothing for many of us) |> Indirect costs: |> Production: |> Depletion of resources (hard to put a value on this one, especially |> since most of the mass of either can be recycled) |> Use: |> Emissions (exhaust gases/exhaust soot/worn-off tire rubber/bits of |> accident debris vs. small amounts of C02/tire rubber) Most |> importantly, how does one quantify the health and environmental |> effects of, for example, tons of sulfur, nitrogen, and carbon |> oxides? |> Other waste (used oil/tires/batteries/coolant/etc vs used tires/ |> chains/etc) Again, a lot of this could probably be recycled. |> Waste and emissions produced in producing and transporting the |> vehicle, fuel, parts, etc. |> Health (accident safety vs. improved fitness) Health effects from |> emissions are arbitrarily included with emissions. |> Time for transportation |> Perceived convenience (an extra shower, having to walk in from the |> parking lot at work, carrying people and stuff, etc) I can't believe I left road maintainence off this list. |> Disposal: |> Where do you put the carcasses, and does anyone melt them down for |> the metal? |> |> I don't claim that this is a complete list, by any means. As I said, I don't claim... Carl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Carl Gooch | Why am I inside at a keyboard when gooch@leland.stanford.edu | I could be outside riding bike? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fd3ff,32d0223205c36d8d X-Google-Attributes: gidfd3ff,public X-Google-Thread: 10df74,32d0223205c36d8d X-Google-Attributes: gid10df74,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1992-06-10 05:51:38 PST Newsgroups: ca.environment,ba.transportation Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!stanford.edu!leland.Stanford.EDU!leland.Stanford.EDU!gooch From: gooch@leland.Stanford.EDU (Carl Gooch) Subject: Re: Creeks and Sprawl (was: An example of how zealots . . .) Message-ID: <1992Jun10.015743.11615@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA References: <SLAGLE.92Jun3235820@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> <SLAGLE.92Jun8203710@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> <1992Jun10.014330.10395@leland.Stanford.EDU> Distribution: ca Date: Wed, 10 Jun 92 01:57:43 GMT Lines: 46