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Article #462Re: Creeks and Sprawl (was: An example of how zealots . . .)
From: Carl Gooch
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1992 21:53
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1992 21:53
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In article <SLAGLE.92Jun5200130@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com>, slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle) writes: |> In article <xm#lvyp.jps@netcom.com>, jps@netcom.com (John Serafin) writes: |> |> > And everyone knows that showers and changing rooms cost much more and take |> > up a lot more room than parking lots. |> |> The issue is one of lost productive time which, if spent on a |> regular basis, dwarfs both costs that you attempt to compare. |> When a parking space has a comparable cost to the person whose |> car occupies it, then you may reintroduce your point for further |> discussion. I'll leave aside for the moment the question of urban sprawl being exacerbated by the proliferation of multi-lane roads and parking lots simply taking up space, except to note that the paved fraction in many US cities exceeds 50%. I personally would count the costs associated with increasing travel distances and times with the direct cost of a parking space, if there were a reasonably accurate way to do so. If one cycles to work, the need for other aerobic exercise is, at the very least, reduced. That is, there is no need to go for a run after work, or to stop at a health club to use their stairmaster, or whatever. This can negate the time disadvantage of cycling for many people. (The time lost would doubtless come out of the employees own time and not the company's anyway; it would seem unethical to me to consider myself "at work" until I had showered and changed, just as it would if I counted driving/cycling time as part of my 40 hours/week.) Furthermore, studies have shown (I hate to start a statement this way, and I'll try to find references if someone chooses to debate the point) that worker efficiency is higher among those in good physical condition. So in that sense, a certain amount of lost time at work would be recovered automatically. Finally, as others have said before in this debate, I'm not advocating the complete elimination of cars, just their sensible use. I do not consider having everyone drive their car to work by themselves every day "sensible use". I'll gladly concede that not everyone can use alternative transpor- tation every day, and that there are those whose jobs require them to have their car at work every day. But what I fail to understand is why there is such widespread and universal opposition among people who one would assume have some interest in the environment or in public transit (readers of this group and of [sci|misc].environment, for example) to even consider the possibility that maybe they don't need to drive their cars as much as they do. Here's an experiment for those of you who drive everywhere because "I need to": try, for a month, to make at least one trip in five on foot, by bicycle, by bus/train/etc, by carpool, or by any other means than a single-occupancy automobile. As you prepare to leave the house, think of reasons why you _don't_ need to take the car this trip. You might be surprised at how easily a little planning and/or resourcefulness on your part can eliminate a lot of driving, and consequently a lot of wear-and-tear on your car, the roads, the environment, etc. Carl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Carl Gooch | Why am I inside at a keyboard when gooch@leland.stanford.edu | I could be outside riding bike? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fd3ff,32d0223205c36d8d X-Google-Attributes: gidfd3ff,public X-Google-Thread: 10df74,32d0223205c36d8d X-Google-Attributes: gid10df74,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1992-06-08 09:58:32 PST Newsgroups: ca.environment,ba.transportation Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!stanford.edu!leland.Stanford.EDU!leland.Stanford.EDU!gooch From: gooch@leland.Stanford.EDU (Carl Gooch) Subject: Re: Creeks and Sprawl (was: An example of how zealots . . .) Message-ID: <1992Jun8.215300.7719@leland.Stanford.EDU> Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News) Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA References: <1992May21.061714.22821@cypress.com> <JYM.92Jun2213217@remarque.berkeley.edu> <SLAGLE.92Jun5200130@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> Distribution: ca Date: Mon, 8 Jun 92 21:53:00 GMT Lines: 62