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[note: crossposted to alt.surfing]

In article <4ech6f$7tf@news2.delphi.com>,
Andrew Russell <arussell@BIX.com> wrote:
>Chuckle.  Haven't a clue, do you?

nobody else does either, you're just too incomprehensible!

>The value is that when *facts* get posted that demonstrate that you are
>engaged in a campaign of the Big Lie, other readers in ca.environment will
>be able to see for themselves what the truth is.  And the truth is of
>course your enemy, isn't it?

nice stars around the word facts, but yet again no such thing anywhere!
Where are your "facts", Mr. Russell? Where did you prove me a liar? Why would
the truth be my enemy? Again, you leave me and others cluesless!

>Unless of course you begin posting the truth, then I will have nothing to
>argue about, will I?  If this threat of real facts about your hate campaign
>against Brian Bilbray causes you to engage in an honest discussion of the
>*real* reasons you don't like him, then we will all be better off.

Personally, I have nothing against Mr. Bilbray. I haven't even met the guy yet.
Politically, especially in an environmental sense, he is a failure just as much
as the Republican Congress is. 

Care for facts? Ok, let's take the so called "Clean Water Act" (HR 961) which
you know is supported by Mr. Bilbray. 

H.R. 961 will: 

     * eliminate national goals for reducing polluted urban runoff into our 
	oceans (the nation's largest source of water pollution). 
     * eliminate treatment requirements for storm water discharges, even where 
	pollution from urban storm water exceeds pollutants from factories and 
	sewage plants. 
     * eliminate protection of coastal wetlands (only 10% of wetlands still 
	survive in CA). 
     * cities under 100,000 people will be exempted permanently from 
	requirements to reduce stormwater pollution. 
     * industrial point sources will be allowed to decrease their efforts to 
	cut pollution. 
     * the Coastal Zone Act- the newly enforceable program to control runoff 
	in the coastal zone- will be abolished completely. 
     * a citizen's right to sue polluters or the right to know what pollution 
	is being discharged into a community's water is not ensured. 
     * not provide a provision to phase out the use of the most toxic chemicals
	including dioxin ! 

(this is part of http://www.sdsc.edu/SDSC/Partners/Surfrider/dirty/main.htm)

These are the reasons, why I believe that Mr. Bilbray has lost all credibility
as a "green surfer". You called me a liar the first time, when I stated this.
As always, your insult was not backed by anything remotely resembling a fact.
Then you went on to compare me to Goebbels, again not based on any realities.
Why don't you just admit it, Mr. Russell? You've lost it!

For those of you who have not already added Andrew Russell to their kill files,
check out the Surfrider pages at http://www.sdsc.edu/surfrider for more
information on what can be done to stop this bill and others from destroying
the little legal protection that our environment still has!

>Exhaust pipes?  Ah, if only I *could* afford a Harley.  :-)

Why? Don't tell me that Honda of yours doesn't cut it anymore!
To tell you the truth though, that subject was a left over from an earlier 
draft of my post, which had some reference to your "environmental" profession
of constructing air plane turbines...

h.


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Helge Weissig
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