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In article <4e0ok9$rqu@news2.delphi.com>,
Andrew Russell <arussell@BIX.com> blurted:
>Well, I received five copies in my mailbox of Lori Saldana's turgid prose
>(responded to below). Was it malice or merely gross incompetence?   I have
>informed Ms. Saldana that mailbombing is looked upon with great disapproval
>by network and ISP administrators - who tend to reward this kind of
>behavior with account termination.  If she does it again, we will know,
>won't we?  I have promised her that if she stays out of my mailbox, I will
>stay out of hers.

Did we really need another proof of your lost touch with with reality? Five
(5) copies of one mail can hardly be called mailbombing. Besides, off-topic
posting like your aggressive responses to informational posts (see the whole
Goebbels rantings and ravings of yours, Mr. Russell) are frowned on by net-
work administrators just as well. On top of it, you seem to imply some sort 
of threat there at the end of your paragraph; well, without knowing who you 
are dealing with you should be more carefull with those!

>Ms. Saldana, you are the one who chooses to be a 'useful idiot' to the lies
>and corruption of the Democrats.  I belong to no political party, and
>support only those politicians who have demonstrated that they actually
>care about preventing the destruction of this country with debt.  Read the
>conclusions of Robert Kerry's (D-Nebraska) Entitlement Commission and tell
>us again how much you admire the lies of Clinton, Panetta, Gebhardt,
>Daschle, ad nauseam...

Mr. Russell, for your own sake and our sanity please stop biting your own tail.
First: the Entitlement Commission's full title is "Bipartisan Commission on 
Entitlement and Tax Reform" and doesn't concern itself with environmental 
issues discussed here.
Second: According to you, since headed by a Democrat, the conclusion of this
Commission can be nothing more than "lies and corruption" but they prove 
that Clinton, Panetta and colleagues lie? Puuullllleeaaase!

>Try asking Clinton.  He promised in writing in November to come to the
>budget table with a budget plan that eliminates the deficit in seven years
>using CBO numbers.  He *refused* for two months to keep that clear and
>unequivocal promise.  Congress promised a CR that would allow the
>government to stay open, despite Clinton's vetos of spending bills, the
>instant he came to the table with an honest budget.  They proved again
>their willingness to keep their promises, in a dramatic contrast to the
>deceit and dishonesty of Clinton and his administration.  It was
>*Clinton's* decision, and only his decision, to shut down the government
>for two months.

I guess that's also why Mr. Clinton's approval ratings rose during the month
of December, when stubborn Republican Freshmen and -women refused to compro-
mise even against the better judgement of Mr. Gingrich. Btw - Mr. Bilbray
kept a very low profile in the whole debate. I suspect he is just too afraid
to fall between chairs.

Mr. Clinton successfully stopped the Republican Congress from harming the 
environmental legislation (e.g. one of the egregious provisions in the 
Appropriations bill would have stripped the Environmental Protection Agency 
(EPA) of its authority to protect the nation's wetlands.) even more than 
they already managed to do during the last year. It is very shortsighted 
to cut spending on environmental protection in order to balance a budget.
Millions of dollars will have to be spent by our children and grandchildren
to clean up the mess we will leave them with. Your "apres nous la deluge"
attitude, Mr. Russell, will eventually ruin not only this country, but the
whole planet. You might not believe in Ozon depletion or global warming, as
your posts on sci.environment prove which are filled with outdated references
and the same "hatemongering" that you show in this group, but once you have
to move back to Kansas because California was consumed by the rising levels
of the Pacific, you will be one sorry little power systems engineer. 
Fortunately, there are people in this world that we environmentalists can
work with to try to rescue our planet. The above scenario is utopic by the way,
so don't waste your time and other people's bandwidth by quoting me and giving
us another demonstration of your humourless and aggressive polemic.

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>>Finally, Andrew has never responded to my question re:the failed San 
>>Marcos, CA  waste recycling facility...
>
>Because it was a pathetic tactic of yours to avoid discussing your blatant
>falsehoods about Bilbray's positions and his *support* for the Clean Water
>Act standards.  But the San Marcos project went down the tubes for
>primarily two reasons, one valid, the other not.  The valid reason was
>runaway cost increases that made the project economically a waste of
>resources.  The other was rampant NIMBYism.  Care to get into a discussion
>about the problems of hammer mills, pipe erosion, and removal of
>non-ferrous metals that are a major issue in waste-to-energy plants, Ms.
>Saldana?  Or are you just an ignorant posturer about these kinds of
>facilities?

here you go again... why would anyone care to discuss technicalities that you
label as invalid? And how does that explain Mr. Bilbray not taking up the
responsibility for this miserable failure? Questions over questions you re-
peatedly try to avoid by obscuring your responses with pseudo intellectual
(e.g. "nimbyism") plastic words or off topic insults.

>Because I have lived in San Diego for nearly seventeen years.  Your
>pseudo-environmentalist incompetence is matched by whomever you 'hear'
>from.  Care to discuss where you got this excellent demonstration of your
>fundamental lack of facts?

I think you are not in any position to call Ms. Saldana, the Chair of San
Diego's Sierra Club an incompetent pseudo-environmentalist or a posturer.
Go ahead, show off with your engineering knowledge and let us all know,
how you will do something for the environment with your uncalled for behaviour.
Mr. Bilbray himself has shown much more respect and humour in response to
Ms. Saldana's "Unofficial Bilbray Homepage"
(http://www.netconnection.com/~lsaldana/bilbray.html) than you. He would most
likely be very embarressed to see what kind of supporter he has in you.

h.

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Helge Weissig
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