🚀 go-pugleaf

In <4corbb$oh8@spectator.cris.com> grep@cris.com (George B) writes: 
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>will1000@ix.netcom.com (Will Stewart ) wrote:
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>>In <4cmi34$n3g@spectator.cris.com> grep@cris.com (George B) writes: 
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>>>EV's will fit a very small fraction of commuters habits, folks are
not
>>>going to change habits to fit the car.
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>>What commuting profiles are you referring to?  Please support your
>>extraordinary claim.
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>You must 1) park near an electrical outlet that you pay for. This
>rules out most commuters in cities outside the Western US. Condominium
>and apartment dwellers will not be able to charge the EV.

First you were asked to support your claim. Give data, not more claims.
Tell us what percent of commuters live in apartments and condos and do
not have parking within the complex. You will, of course, find the
percentage to be small. Actually, on street charging devices were used
in the 1920s and some have recently been designed.

>2) Probably
>not workabe in areas with winter nighttime lows near 0F or lower
>without a heated garage.

Wrong. Thermal management systems have been designed to keep the
battery warm. And the thermal mass of the battery keeps it warm for
hours if it is not plugged in. Do you really think these problems have
not been solved. 

>3) Must live close to work, this is
>diminishing in the US as urban flight continues. I know folks that
>drive 75 miles one way to work and very few that drive 10 miles or
>less.

If you look at real data you will see that the average commute for all
large cities in the U.S. is 21 minutes plus or minus a minute. That
number has been unchanged over time since that type of data was
collected. It is the reason 19th Century cities were so small. Sure
there are prople who want a certain lifestyle and choose to commute 75
miles. Other like myself commute down two flights of stairs.

4) Not much margin for error for detours or side errands on the
>way home from work due to range problems.
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So the average commute is less than twenty miles. Most EVs will have no
trouble with a less than 40 miule commute and some side trips. BUT...
Companies are beginning to offer free plug ins. Even if you have to
pay, as more and more EVs penetrate the market, more and more plug-ins
will be available. If you need a plug in at work, an arrangement will
be made. No company will say no because of the political implecations.
So you plug in mid day to top off the battery. I see no constraint.

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>Untill the infrastructure is in place, folks are not going to risk
>travelling far from home in an EV. These support services will not
>come until there is DEMAND for them. 

Not true. There already is a project in New England to make the whole
region EV accessible by strtegically locating fast charging stations.
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>I just do not see WIDESPREAD EV usage outside of suburban California
>for a rather long time.

Your conclusion is based on faulty assumptions as I just pointed out
for maybe the 10th time.

Marty Bernard