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In ca.politics phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) said: 
 
 
>In article <3pie83$8va@worm.hooked.net> jimbar@worm.hooked.net (Jim
Barrett)  
>writes: 
>    >... and fight each other. I'm trying to get beyond this with the 
>    >supposition that we all are integrated in the same 
>    >environment and economic system. If we try to solve problems 
>    >rather than to fight each other we may actually make some 
>    >progress. I want a healthy economy and a healthy environment. 
>    >I want to come up with ideas where we can promote both 
>    >simultaneously. 
> 
>And I want people like you to STOP such effort. These "problems" are NOT
for  
>you or me to "solve". 
> 
>These issues are about individuals making choices, and, as such, you make
your  
>decisions and I'll make mine. To assert that *you* have a right to decide
what  
>(or if) there is a "problem" and what "solution" should be made is galling
 
>arrogance. 
> 
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I find them to be problems and wish to solve them. Anybody who thinks there
are environmental problems and wishes to engage in constructive dialogue
with me to come up with solutions I invite you to join me. I would like to
look at solutions based on positive market based solutions. Anybody who
doesn't think there are problems I will tell you now, I will never give up.
I will continue to seek solutions no matter what you call me. If you
consider this arrogance then so be it. 
 
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>If *you* think locally produced produce should be bought over produce
brough in  
>from far away, fine. 
> 
>Then *you* buy the locally produced produce. 
> 
 
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I do and I will. 
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>But DON'T say that far away produce is a "problem" which needs a
"solution".  
>DON'T butt into other peoples affairs. 
> 
 
 
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It's a problem since it uses more energy for transportation. The energy is
typically gasoline. Gasoline pollutes my environment. You do not pay the
cost of the pollution that you cause by polluting my environment. The truck
dirver or the food producer does not pay the cost of polluting my
environment. It is time they and you had some personal responsibility
(being the good republican that you are) and paid the cost. 
 
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>Private people acting privately. Fuck visuallizing whirled peas -- if
everybody  
>just minded their own business we wouldn't have wars. 
> 
> 
 
If you are acting and being so private why are you engaging in a public
conversation? We act publically and have public consequences of our
actions. 
 
> 
> 
>--  
>"I didn't do it, nobody saw me, and you can't prove it!" - B. Simpson 
 
Well I think you may have done it. If I can prove that you did it and that
the effects are detrimental to me there will be some monetary damages I am
sure. As I said one should take responsibility for their actions.  
 
It is clear that since you equate your own responsibilty to a cartoon
character noted for being irresponsible that you interaction with the
society is based on somewhat shortsighted notions.