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In article <37p9uk$nn4@crl6.crl.com> ourston@crl.com (Todd Ourston) writes:
>Eric Mankin (mankin@mizar.usc.edu) wrote:

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*Your presumption that riding motor vehicles off-road is something that I 
*wish to do is entirely misplaced.  I don't own any such vehicles, and I 
*don't have any desire to use them.

Then I apologize for the implication.

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*It helps, too, to be reminded that none of us have a right to run public
*land as though it were our private property, ignoring the wishes of other
*segments of the public.  If it's public, it needs to be managed with the
*broad range of public interests in mind.  Cooperation, rather than
*coercion, is the key to longterm protection of our varied interests. 

And the other key is retaining something worth protecting.

*: But I'm disturbed by your attitude. You don't deny that ORV's are
*: destructive to the desert. 
*
*I don't believe I said that they were, either.

Then come out and deny it, if you don't think they are. Or find out,
if you don't know.

*: You're saying that, because this 
*: product (an ORV) exists and you have bought one, 
*
*I'm quite certain that I never said any such thing, because it is 
*patently false and does not reflect anything I believe to be true or 
*relevant to this issue.  Why don't you just say what's on your mind 
*instead of trying to twist what I have written into something that I 
*never expressed at all?

Replace the word "you" with the word "someone" and deal with the argument.

*: you have inherent right to go 
*: destroy land that belongs to all of us, all for the sake of a momentary
*: adrenaline rush/General Rommel fantasy. I can't help feeling this is
*: selfish.

*And I can't help but believe that you are projecting your own selfishness 
*and narrow mindedness onto me.  Who the hell are you to tell other 
*members of the public that your preservation and privacy issues are more 
*important than their ways of enjoying the environment?  Why should they 
*(or I) respect your wishes at all if you are unwilling to extend the same 
*respect and understanding to others.

Were you really never told to clean up after yourself?
Is the concept, "pay for what you break" really complicated?
When you use a public toilet, do you just dump on the floor
Do you really think there is something selfish about someone objecting
to have to deal with someone else's mess?

*I am selfish.  I what the whole damn planet run my way, and I don't want 
*some whiney, selfish, self-righteous twerp like you getting in my way 
*when I want to enjoy _my_ public land.

Spare me the insults. The issue is what _our_ public land looks like 
after you've* finished enjoying yourself. If you think this is self
righteous, you're so far gone into selfishness that you're close to
megalomania.

  *oops -- forgot you don't do it. Substitute "someone"

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*I am consoled by Ed Abbey's suggestion, however.  I'm on my way out the 
*door to enjoy myself on some trails--something I do quite frequently.  
*Rest in peace.

Go in peace.
 Eric Mankin