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Article #976Re: Indian v Western Civilization: Are we stupid, or what?
From: Matt Dillon
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 03:26
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 03:26
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Why do you want our society to be like the society of India or Native Americans? "Day Brown" <daybrown@hypertech.net> wrote in message news:4168a89a$1_2@127.0.0.1... > Gatos Loco wrote: > > Maybe it will be diminished if we destroy enough with it. In turn > > destroying sociatal infrastructure and thus the means of creating it. > > So to some extent I suppose it would be possible. > Maybe. Why if primitive tribes were violent, would we not be if reduced > to their level. > > Anthropology, zoology, psychology, and archaeology are converging on the > phenomena of the Alpha male, so named from field studies of primates. We > have the video of alpha male chimps organizing a gang to go out and find > a foraging couple in an adjacent territory. They murder him and any > progeny she has, then gang rape her while they kidnap her and add her to > their own harem. Chimps have wars with neighboring groups, and the alpha > males commit what we call 'domestic abuse' within their own group. > > Alphaism is handed down on the Y Chromosome. Behaviorism does not work. > the assumption that Skinnerian techniques in the schools to prevent > violence and produce humane adults are insufficient. > > But then, we have the example of the Bonobo; the chimp groups are run by > a streetgang; the bonobo groups are run by an elder sisterhood. Bonobos > dont kill and eat other monkeys, they dont war with other groups, and > nobody gets raped. There's no 'domestic abuse' and no violent struggle > among alpha males for dominance. > > The problem is not the religion or the politics or the customs; if the > alpha males rule, they will engage in violence. If the sisterhood does, > as we've seen in the Chalcolithic matriarchies, there is peace. Bonobos > have sex a dozen times a day. There are two forces to control the action > of men: sex or violence. Pick one; the negative re-inforcement of > violence, or the positive re-inforcement of sex. Sex changes the brain > chemistry; guys that get laid more when women are in charge, dont want > to change the system. > > > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups > ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =---
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