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Re: Indian v Western Civilization: Are we stupid, or what?

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From: Matt Dillon
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 03:26
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Why do you want our society to be like the society of India or Native
Americans?
"Day Brown" <daybrown@hypertech.net> wrote in message
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> Gatos Loco wrote:
> > Maybe it will be diminished if we destroy enough with it. In turn
> > destroying sociatal infrastructure and thus the means of creating it.
> > So to some extent I suppose it would be possible.
> Maybe. Why if primitive tribes were violent, would we not be if reduced
> to their level.
>
> Anthropology, zoology, psychology, and archaeology are converging on the
>   phenomena of the Alpha male, so named from field studies of primates. We
> have the video of alpha male chimps organizing a gang to go out and find
> a foraging couple in an adjacent territory. They murder him and any
> progeny she has, then gang rape her while they kidnap her and add her to
> their own harem. Chimps have wars with neighboring groups, and the alpha
> males commit what we call 'domestic abuse' within their own group.
>
> Alphaism is handed down on the Y Chromosome. Behaviorism does not work.
> the assumption that Skinnerian techniques in the schools to prevent
> violence and produce humane adults are insufficient.
>
> But then, we have the example of the Bonobo; the chimp groups are run by
> a streetgang; the bonobo groups are run by an elder sisterhood. Bonobos
> dont kill and eat other monkeys, they dont war with other groups, and
> nobody gets raped. There's no 'domestic abuse' and no violent struggle
> among alpha males for dominance.
>
> The problem is not the religion or the politics or the customs; if the
> alpha males rule, they will engage in violence. If the sisterhood does,
> as we've seen in the Chalcolithic matriarchies, there is peace. Bonobos
> have sex a dozen times a day. There are two forces to control the action
> of men: sex or violence. Pick one; the negative re-inforcement of
> violence, or the positive re-inforcement of sex. Sex changes the brain
> chemistry; guys that get laid more when women are in charge, dont want
> to change the system.
>
>
>
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