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cramer@optilink.dsccc.com (Clayton Cramer) writes:

> In article <jzeroCxLx75.HKF@netcom.com>, Jim Nakamura <jzero@netcom.com> wrote:
> >cramer@optilink.dsccc.com (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >> In article <jzeroCxCqCw.62@netcom.com>, Jim Nakamura <jzero@netcom.com> wrote:
> >> >cramer@optilink.dsccc.com (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >> >> There is no way for a non-competitive business, especially one run
> >> >> by the state, to be as cheap as mildly competing insurance companies.
> >> >
> >> >	Let's rephrase that.  A nonprofit insurance system
> >> >	will provide more resources for health care than
> >> >	a profit oriented insurance system.
> >
> >> That's not a rephrase, but an inversion of what I said.  Perhaps
> >> you are a victim of California's public education disaster?  That
> >> would explain quite a bit.
> >
> >	Look, you Nazi, you're beginning to grate on my

> YOU calling ME a Nazi?  YOU are the one that wants unlimited
> state power, and uses of threats of implementing a Nazi policy --
> gun control -- to suggest that we should learn to make sheep-like
> noises.

	Don't worry.  The Health Care Commissioner will be
	elected.  He won't have the power to surround himself
	with armed thugs like Gen. Cedras of Haiti.  There'll
	be no secret police.  Rest assured, he won't have 
	unlimited power.

> >	nerves.  I don't relish arguing with a donkey's
> >	ass.  If all you want to do is trade insults that's
> >	fine by me, but perhaps we should do this privately?

> Perhaps if you learned what "rephrase" means, it would help?

	Boy, you sure are touchy.  You just keep your
	guns to yourself.

> >> Isn't it amazing that in most fields of human endeavor, profit-
> >> making institutions keep costs under control better than the 
> >> government institutions?
> >
> >	Not in health care.  That's why all the major 
> >	industrialized countries in the world has seen
> >	fit to impose govt regulation.

> The U.S. has quite a bit of regulation in the health care field.
> They have also heavily subsidized the dramatic run-up in health
> care costs, causing a demand-pull inflation.

	The dramatic run-up in health care costs is due to
	cherry picking on the part of insurance companies
	who dump unprofitable patients onto the public dole.
	You sound like you want to eliminate these govt
	programs.  Maybe your solution is to take these
	sick people and just shoot them in the head to put 
	them out of their misery.

> This may be a surprise, but America is more like a Third World
> country than like Britain or France.

	Why?  Because we've become an economy of predators
	and victims.  In the case of health care, insurance
	companies are the predators.  The uninsured, working
	poor are the victims. 

	Britain and France, by the way, have govt intervention
	in the health care field.


> >> >	What's to prevent your insurance company from 
> >> >	deciding not to renew your policy when you come 
> >> >	down with a chronic condition?
> >
> >> That my current employer has 4000 people on the same policy.
> >
> >	Good for you.  Other people don't have the same
> >	protections.

> Oddly enough, even when this company had 30 people, I felt pretty
> secure.  I hear these horror stories -- but I often hear later more
> detail that suggests the horror stories are one-sided.

	Not in my experience.

> >> The only way to guarantee a free society is to quit pretending
> >> that unlimited governmental power doesn't lead to totalitarianism.
> >
> >	I won't argue with this point.  But the single
> >	payer entity will be democratically controlled.
> >
> >jzero@netcom.com

> Democracy doesn't preclude totalitarianism.


	Libertarianism doesn't preclude totalitarianism.

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