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Article #224Re: California's Opportunity to Achieve Improved Flood Control
From: David O. Powell
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:00
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:00
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We have strayed a little far afield. The thing that kicked this all off was the fact that a whole bunch of people and people-related land uses got badly flooded earlier this year. I have seen nobody opine that this was a good thing. And I suspect that, regardless of what he or she may feel deep down inside, nobody is going to 'fess up to holding such an opinion. So the question is what we do about it. One alternative is to just say that we just shouldn't try to plan for a flood this large and with this long a recurrence interval, so we should just leave things as they are and take our chances. The other alternative is to try to fix it. The conventional way to try to fix it is by what has been for many years the method followed in dealing with flood events; to wit, provision of reservoir storage to reduce the rate of flood flow, together with improvements to downstream channels to enable them to safely carry the reduced flows--the structural solution. In my opinion, that's a pretty good solution. The Friends of the River posted a paper by a Dr. Williams. In that paper he proposed an alternative approach--the non-structural solution. It was significantly lacking in specificity, but in broad terms it seemed to involve allowing a large area on the floor of the Central Valley to revert to its natural state as a flood plain, and to find more flood control storage space by preempting storage now allocated to water conservation. Dr. Williams promised "...greater reliability and ...lower cost." but failed to provide any quantitative demonstration of the validity of that contention. Dr. Williams was identified as a professional engineer (but with the particular engineering discipline and specialty therein unidentified). Considering statements such as "With only a small amount of flood storage available it is inevitable that these dams will overtop (sic) in a large flood or be unable to handle successive small floods," it is hard to believe that his field of expertise is water resource engineering. Mr. Paul, identifying himself as a professional engineer (from his comments seemingly one within whose field of expertise water resource engineering would fall) responded in support of the thought that there ought to be a rather large structural element in any solution. Then Mr. Paul got hammered. He got hammered for his views. He got hammered for having expressed them in a manner that some found intemperate (but I might say that I found some of the responses to Mr. Paul also to be rather intemperate). He got hammered with "Look, Maw, see what a clever fellow I am" type one-liners. He got hammered with factually questionable statements by authors who demonstrated no qualifications to make such statement. The example I found utterly mind-boggling was a somewhat incomprehensible juxtaposition of safe yield and levee heights and setbacks. I think I would tend to be on Mr. Paul's side, but I retain an open mind. My request to those of you on the other side is, if you have a viable non-structural alternative, tell me in detail what it is, tell me what it will cost, and tell me how it will work. Tell me what you are going to do with the people and improvements which already occupy the area you propose to rededicate to natural flood plane. Tell me what you propose to do with California agriculture. Tell me what you plan to do about vested property rights in the agricultural usage of water. Tell me about ***all*** of the considerations that have been swept under the rug in your postings to date. And, most definitely, demonstrate to me your qualifications to formulate, evaluate and report on such a plan. Thank you. -- Dave Powell dopowell@alumni.caltech.edu
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 106ed4,2373d8dbf9f6fee5 X-Google-Attributes: gid106ed4,public X-Google-Thread: 102cad,2373d8dbf9f6fee5 X-Google-Attributes: gid102cad,public X-Google-Thread: fe1ad,2373d8dbf9f6fee5 X-Google-Attributes: gidfe1ad,public X-Google-Thread: 108860,2373d8dbf9f6fee5 X-Google-Attributes: gid108860,public X-Google-Thread: f84dc,2373d8dbf9f6fee5 X-Google-Attributes: gidf84dc,public X-Google-Thread: 105030,2373d8dbf9f6fee5 X-Google-Attributes: gid105030,public X-Google-Thread: f9e58,2373d8dbf9f6fee5 X-Google-Attributes: gidf9e58,public X-Google-Thread: 10df74,2373d8dbf9f6fee5 X-Google-Attributes: gid10df74,public From: dopowell@alumni.caltech.edu (David O. Powell) Subject: Re: California's Opportunity to Achieve Improved Flood Control Date: 1997/02/13 Message-ID: <dopowell-1202971730320001@1.1.1.1> X-Deja-AN: 218389386 References: <rpenny-ya023580000202971509530001@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5db24u$2gp@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <32F9ED1F.7387@ucdavis.edu> <5de23g$8kn@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <32FD2726.47F4@earthlink.net> <5dr93s$4f2@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <5dtip7$7i9@boursy.news.erols.com> Organization: Caltech Alumni Association Newsgroups: ca.water,rec.boats.paddle,alt.org.audubon,alt.org.earth-first,alt.org.sierra-club,ca.general,ca.news,ca.environment,sci.geo.hydrology,sci.geo.rivers+lakes,sci.environment,sci.engr.civil