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Hmm... It's been a while since I've picked apart one of these.

Comments will be in-line.

"navydiver" <navydiver@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:c%JNa.13450$bD1.1100430@news20.bellglobal.com...
> I would like to start a new newsgroup with the title can.rec.motorcycles
>
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group can.rec.motorcycles
>
> This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
> group can.rec.motorcycles
>
> Newsgroups line:
> can.rec.motorcycles The owners and users of Motorcycles and related
> topics in Canada.

Above does not match proposed charter.

> RATIONALE: can.rec.motorcycles

Name does not follow recognaized group naming patterns for can.* domain.

> This newsgroup will be devoted to motorcycle users across Canada and
provide
> a forum for bikers from all provinces to discuss relevant motorcycle
related
> topics.

Insufficient traffic to warrant separate group.

> Currently there is no specific group to discuss motorcycle specific issues
> in a Canada wide forum. This discourages some people from using Usenet as
a
> medium for discussion of this area, causes others to cross/multi-post
> throughout various groups meant for motorcycles in general, and means that
> newcomers have no obvious place to search for relevant answers or
> discussions relating to a very large niche market.

The net isn't "Canada-Wide".  What you propose is better suited to something
along the lines of a yahoo group.

Users already have a multitude of areas to search for data.

> In addition, much current discussion of motorcycle owner related topics
> specific to Canada on Usenet is to fragmented mailing lists and web-based
> forums.  For example, the alt.motorcycle.honda.nighthawk and
ott.motorcycles
> forums are frequently recommended to newcomers within the web community
> asking about motorcycle related topics, due to the lack of relevant forums
> within Usenet. A Google search on 'Honda Shadow' as a sample of one
specific
> topic provided on 2003-06-27 142,000 results. The search for motorcycle
> Canada on 5 July 2003 provided 249,000 hits.

Insufficient detail to determine posting traffic.  Using "Honda Shadow" is
inappropriate as it shows no relation to Canadian traffic, rationale infers
that all motorcycle brands would be welcome, and does not restrict the
traffic search to a specific geographic territory.  Both searches were
apparently completed using improper tools.  Requestor used google.com
instead of groups.google.com.

Also, if this group is going to cover all motorcycles, any specific
manufacturer reference is not valid when searching for traffic numbers.

Mailing lists and web based forums are not tradtionally used in determining
whether sufficient traffic exists for a new group.

For newcomers, alt.motorcycles, rec.motorcycles, and many other usenet
groups are already available.

A search via groups.google.com for the period of April 5, 2003 to July 5,
2003 of 'motorcycle canada' shows a total of 1370 hits for an average of
15.22 per day.  Historically this is insufficient traffic to warrant
creation of a new group.

> The proposed group will serve to be the gathering center of discussions of
> motorcycle owner issues, including but not limited to: techniques,
> equipment, safety procedures, education procedures, competition stories
and
> folk stories in general.
>
> CHARTER: can.rec.motorcycles
>
> An unmoderated newsgroup for discussing the Honda Shadow motorcycles and
> various related topics herein.

Wait a minute.... I thought this was for ALL motorcycles?!   Stay on the
same page, eh?

> Examples of welcome topics include:
>
> o Recommended equipment
> o Discussions on gear, accessories, customizing, riding, group gatherings
> o Riding experiences
> o Discussions on safety and maintenance procedures
> o Discussions on education for new owners and new motorcyclists
> o Discussions on related provicial, national and international regulations
> and other related political issues
> o News and stories from competitions, including announcing competitions
>   to the competitors
> o Stories from users, related tales in general

All of the above are already very well covered by rec.motorcycles,
alt.motorcycles, ott.motorcycles, and subgroups thereof.  Creation of
can.rec.motorcycles is redundant.

> Examples of inappropriate topics include:
>
> o Cross posting about other manufacturers, unless it is related to general
> and  generic issues. (Use the specific group.)

But your rationale states that all motorcycle brands would be welcome.  This
is contradictory.

> o Cross posting and spam of any other kind
> o Personal attacks or
>   accusations aimed at individuals
>
> Standard language for the group is English. Although posts in other
> languages are acceptable, it would be preferable to have the language
> clearly identified in the Subject header of the message.
>
>
> Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are not allowed.
> Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a pointer may be
posted.
> Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used where authentication is
> important and should be as short as possible.
>
> It is asked to keep posts somewhat short and to the point, and to be civil
> and constructive in the wording of the posts. Particularly in political
> discussions one is asked to be polite in his/her criticism towards the
> relevant parties.
>
> Relevant commercial posts are acceptable, but should be limited to one per
> month per product.
>
> END CHARTER.
>
> PROCEDURE:
>
> All discussion of this proposal should be posted to can.config.  This RFD
> attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines
> outlined in "Welcome to can.config -- one man's opinion".  Please refer to
> this document (regularly available in can.config ) if you have any
questions
> about the process.
>
> DISTRIBUTION:
>
> This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
> ott.config
> alt.motorcycle.honda.nighthawk

No such group.

> ott.motorcycles
> rec.motorcycles