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"Polarhound" <polarhound@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:v9CcnTM16Kpp4JqiU-KYvw@comcast.com...
> Hmm... It's been a while since I've picked apart one of these. OH GOOD
SOMONE WHO IS IMPARTIAL!
>
> Comments will be in-line.
>
> "navydiver" <navydiver@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:c%JNa.13450$bD1.1100430@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > I would like to start a new newsgroup with the title can.rec.motorcycles
> >
> > REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> > unmoderated group can.rec.motorcycles
> >
> > This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
> > group can.rec.motorcycles
> >
> > Newsgroups line:
> > can.rec.motorcycles The owners and users of Motorcycles and related
> > topics in Canada.
>
> Above does not match proposed charter.
>
> > RATIONALE: can.rec.motorcycles
>
> Name does not follow recognaized group naming patterns for can.* domain.
>
> > This newsgroup will be devoted to motorcycle users across Canada and
> provide
> > a forum for bikers from all provinces to discuss relevant motorcycle
> related
> > topics.
>
> Insufficient traffic to warrant separate group. SAYS WHO - ARE YOU
GUESSING? WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS?
>
> > Currently there is no specific group to discuss motorcycle specific
issues
> > in a Canada wide forum. This discourages some people from using Usenet
as
> a
> > medium for discussion of this area, causes others to cross/multi-post
> > throughout various groups meant for motorcycles in general, and means
that
> > newcomers have no obvious place to search for relevant answers or
> > discussions relating to a very large niche market.
>
> The net isn't "Canada-Wide".  What you propose is better suited to
something
> along the lines of a yahoo group. WRONG _ THAT IS WHY IT IS GOING ON can.*
>
> Users already have a multitude of areas to search for data. YES BUT
AMERICAN OTHER THAN ONE LOCAL NG IN OTTAWA - ARE YOU AMERICAN?
>
> > In addition, much current discussion of motorcycle owner related topics
> > specific to Canada on Usenet is to fragmented mailing lists and
web-based
> > forums.  For example, the alt.motorcycle.honda.nighthawk and
> ott.motorcycles
> > forums are frequently recommended to newcomers within the web community
> > asking about motorcycle related topics, due to the lack of relevant
forums
> > within Usenet. A Google search on 'Honda Shadow' as a sample of one
> specific
> > topic provided on 2003-06-27 142,000 results. The search for motorcycle
> > Canada on 5 July 2003 provided 249,000 hits.
>
> Insufficient detail to determine posting traffic.  Using "Honda Shadow" is
> inappropriate as it shows no relation to Canadian traffic, rationale
infers
> that all motorcycle brands would be welcome, and does not restrict the
> traffic search to a specific geographic territory.  Both searches were
> apparently completed using improper tools.  Requestor used google.com
> instead of groups.google.com. PICKY PICKY  SEARCH FROM groups.google.com
WOULD I<M SURE GIVE JUST AS MANY RESPONSES
>
> Also, if this group is going to cover all motorcycles, any specific
> manufacturer reference is not valid when searching for traffic numbers.
SO?
>
> Mailing lists and web based forums are not tradtionally used in
determining
> whether sufficient traffic exists for a new group. THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD
BY can.config operator
>
> For newcomers, alt.motorcycles, rec.motorcycles, and many other usenet
> groups are already available.
>
> A search via groups.google.com for the period of April 5, 2003 to July 5,
> 2003 of 'motorcycle canada' shows a total of 1370 hits for an average of
> 15.22 per day.  Historically this is insufficient traffic to warrant
> creation of a new group. THEN WHY DOES THE ott.motorcycles SITE FLOURISH -
IMAGINE A WHOLE COUTRY INVOLVED WITH BIKER DIALOGUE...
>
> > The proposed group will serve to be the gathering center of discussions
of
> > motorcycle owner issues, including but not limited to: techniques,
> > equipment, safety procedures, education procedures, competition stories
> and
> > folk stories in general.
> >
> > CHARTER: can.rec.motorcycles
> >
> > An unmoderated newsgroup for discussing the Honda Shadow motorcycles and
> > various related topics herein. ORIGINALLY WAS PLANNED FOR HONDA SHADOW _
SLIPPED THROUGH IN THE EDITING - RECOMMENDED TO GO GENERIC MOTORCYCLE BY
can.config AUTHORITY
>
> Wait a minute.... I thought this was for ALL motorcycles?!   Stay on the
> same page, eh?
>
> > Examples of welcome topics include:
> >
> > o Recommended equipment
> > o Discussions on gear, accessories, customizing, riding, group
gatherings
> > o Riding experiences
> > o Discussions on safety and maintenance procedures
> > o Discussions on education for new owners and new motorcyclists
> > o Discussions on related provicial, national and international
regulations
> > and other related political issues
> > o News and stories from competitions, including announcing competitions
> >   to the competitors
> > o Stories from users, related tales in general
>
> All of the above are already very well covered by rec.motorcycles,
> alt.motorcycles, ott.motorcycles, and subgroups thereof.  Creation of
> can.rec.motorcycles is redundant. WRONG _ THESE ARE SPECIFIC NICHE NG's
THE ONLY PURELY CANADIAN ONE IS ott.motorcycles AND IT IS SPECIFIC TO THE
OTTAWA, ONTARIO REGION. WHAT ABOUT JOE BIKER IN VANCOUVER 4000 KM's AWAY?
>
> > Examples of inappropriate topics include:
> >
> > o Cross posting about other manufacturers, unless it is related to
general
> > and  generic issues. (Use the specific group.)
>
> But your rationale states that all motorcycle brands would be welcome.
This
> is contradictory. ANOTHER HONDA SHADOWISM SNEAKS THROUGH...
>
> > o Cross posting and spam of any other kind
> > o Personal attacks or
> >   accusations aimed at individuals
> >
> > Standard language for the group is English. Although posts in other
> > languages are acceptable, it would be preferable to have the language
> > clearly identified in the Subject header of the message.
> >
> >
> > Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are not
allowed.
> > Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a pointer may be
> posted.
> > Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used where authentication is
> > important and should be as short as possible.
> >
> > It is asked to keep posts somewhat short and to the point, and to be
civil
> > and constructive in the wording of the posts. Particularly in political
> > discussions one is asked to be polite in his/her criticism towards the
> > relevant parties.
> >
> > Relevant commercial posts are acceptable, but should be limited to one
per
> > month per product.
> >
> > END CHARTER.
> >
> > PROCEDURE:
> >
> > All discussion of this proposal should be posted to can.config.  This
RFD
> > attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines
> > outlined in "Welcome to can.config -- one man's opinion".  Please refer
to
> > this document (regularly available in can.config ) if you have any
> questions
> > about the process.
> >
> > DISTRIBUTION:
> >
> > This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
> > ott.config
> > alt.motorcycle.honda.nighthawk
>
> No such group. CHECK YOUR WORK...
>
> > ott.motorcycles
> > rec.motorcycles
>
>
>