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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:25:27 GMT, "Arved Sandstrom" <asandstrom@accesswave.ca>
wrote:

>"Brian Daily" <daily.brian@gmail.com.nomaps> wrote in message 
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>>
>> British troops in Afghanistan should be withdrawn to barracks until a 
>> clear
>> political strategy has been agreed, a Labour former armed forces minister 
>> has
>> argued.
>>
>> Doug Henderson warned that soldiers lives must not be put at risk in the 
>> absence
>> of "direct and immediate purpose".
>>
>> And he suggested that an effective military strategy would only be 
>> achieved on
>> the back of an effective political one.
>>
>> Defence Secretary Des Browne told MPs on Thursday that he is urgently
>> considering requests for extra troops in Afghanistan.
>>
>> His announcement followed the death of the sixth British serviceman to be 
>> killed
>> in the troubled Helmand province in the past month.
>>
>>
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>> In an interview for GMTV's Sunday Programme, to be broadcast this weekend, 
>> Mr
>> Henderson said: "First of all we're getting bogged down and secondly, it's 
>> not
>> clear what the strategy is.
>>
>> "I don't think it's clear to the world community, I don't think it's clear 
>> to
>> the insurrectionaries in Afghanistan and it probably isn't clear to our 
>> troops
>> either."
>>
>> He added: "I think the United Nations needs to look at the political 
>> situation
>> again. There needs to be a clear political strategy."
>>
>> Mr Henderson, MP for Newcastle upon Tyne North, told GMTV: "Once we have a
>> political strategy it will then be much clearer what the military strategy 
>> needs
>> to be to reinforce that."
>>
>> He continued: "I think until a political strategy has been worked out and 
>> agreed
>> by those who need to agree to it then, in some senses, there should be a
>> withdrawal of British troops, to barracks at least, and the other NATO 
>> troops."
>
>This may stun you to your boots, but at this point, I don't think Mr 
>Henderson is necessarily wrong. In fact, I have concerns about what 
>Canadians and Americans and other forces are doing there at the moment. In 
>particular, I do wonder whether or not our presence there is not actually 
>creating a problem that would not exist otherwise.
>
>I believe that the Taliban and others of their ilk are a genuine military 
>target - I'm not convinced that tens of thousands of Western troops are 
>quite the right answer to that.
>
Arved, there are many avid right wing supporters of our troops that realize the
Afghanistan mission is seriously off the rails. 
Rather than admit that they are just holding their breath franticly hoping
someone, ANYONE will rescue the mission.
ALL the NATO countries with common sense leadership are declining to get
involved. It Canada, the US and Britain, that's it.

I EXPECTED/Predicted from the day Harper became Prime Minister that OUR Canadian
forces would start fucking up big time trying to impress the US.
They have actually surpassed my worst case scenario.
Canada has almost single handedly made the situation in Afghanistan worse. The
bragging by our military brass, the contempt they showed for their Afghan enemy,
their jackboot tactics among villagers, and their over all incompetence have
created levels of hate towards NATO and Canada unprecedented in Afghanistan
since the Soviets were there.

NATO knows Canada is a fuckup, the US knows Canada is a fuckup but what can they
do. They certainly can't admit that publicly. They can't move Canada out of
southern Afghanistan, there are NO replacement and it would be a political
disaster for NATO. 

We are fucked.