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"G. B." <gregp@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
news:gfvr6.15951$tr5.1863990@news1.telusplanet.net...
> "ZsaZsa" <reply@ng.org> wrote:
> > "Gerry Carter" <gerrycarter@home.com> wrote:
> > > "ZsaZsa" <reply@ng.org> wrote in message
> > > > "John Smith" <fatjohnny72@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > AlexF@cc1.bhc5.org wrote in message ...
> > > >
> > > > > >    If the customer had one too many, no.  But if the
> > > > > >bartender saw that the customer was clearly drunk out
> > > > > >of his mind, and yet served him another drink anyway,
> > > > > >just because he wanted to make an extra buck, then
> > > > > >yes, if I get hit by that drunk driver you can bet
> > > > > >I'm suing both the drunk and the bar.
> > > > >
> > > > > How absurd.  Bartenders shouldn't be under any obligation to
define
> > > > > and enforce consumption limits on their customers.  They sell a
fully
> > > > > legal product to people who request it and can stop requesting it
at
> > > > > any time. The consequences of this exchange rest with the buyer.
> > > > > End of story.
> > > >
> > > > On the contrary, in Ontario people who serve booze, and those who
sell
> > > > it in retail establishments , are required to deny service to people
who
> > > > are obviously drunk.  The license holder of an establishment can
lose
> > > > his/her liquor license for "permitting drunkeness", that is allowing
> > > > drunks to remain in said establishment.  This is as much to protect
other
> > > > patrons and the public as the drunk.
> > >
> > > By the time someone is obviously drunk, they are already to drunk to
> > >drive  etc.  How does allowing them to get more drunk remove from them
> > > the personal responsibility for their own inebriation?
> >
> > I'm afraid I don't understand the question.
> >
> It's very simple. It's about not passing the blame to someone else.
Someone
> has to take responsibility for our actions, and in most cases the best
> person to take the blame is yourself.

Oh, OK.  I was just taking issue with the fact that the  previous poster had
said something about a bartender selling a fully legal product.  Alcohol is
not "fully legal"  it's is conditionally legal.  Bartenders know that they
aren't allowed to serve drunks, just as they know they are not allowed to
serve underage people.

> I recognize that it has become popular to pass-off the blame for one's own
> behavior on someone else, but if everyone passes the buck, the problem
never
> get addressed.  If you choose to get drunk and drive, no one should really
> take the blame for the consequences but yourself, otherwise it gives
license
> to bad behavior, based on the fact than no one else stopped you.

If someone sold a gun to someone who was not legally allowed to have one,
are they partly responsible if they buyer uses it to kill someone?