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>All of these
> organizations have, a public evidence gathering process, a pseudo public
> trial where the evidence is given, and a public process where the
> statement
> of facts is given in their decisions of disciplining a member or officer.

I've been reading the blue pages (complaints against P.Eng's and outcomes of
hearings) of the PEO magazine for the last few years and I don't recall any
cases where this process has been used to remove an officer.  Of course,
that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Do those organizations use the court system to remove officers?  I think the
PEO complaint process only addresses complaints against individuals in the
performance of engineering duties and tasks.

> I believe that members of CIPS who have cooler heads need to take
> leadership

I agree with you there.  We need to be able to discuss this issue at a
professional level if we are ever going to survive - and by we I mean CIPS
and our profession.

Karen Lopez, I.S.P.
CIPS Toronto Member, too.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: CIPS General Discussion List [mailto:CIPS-L@LISTSERV.UNB.CA]On
> Behalf Of mbayer@my-dejanews.com
> Sent: 19-Mar-99 01:40 PM
> To: CIPS-L@LISTSERV.UNB.CA
> Subject: SGM thoughts
>
>
> I have recently rejoined CIPS after returning to the Toronto area
> and I was
> surprised to learn that Steve Gallinger was removed from office.  I have
> served as a SIG Co-chair in the Toronto section for the Client/Server and
> Internet SIGS. I have always enjoyed meeting new friends at the
> CIPS events
> within Toronto.
>
> However, I am troubled by the events that led to removal of S.
> Galinger from
> his office.  Some of my relatives belong to the College of Physicians and
> Surgeons, the Ontario Nursing Association, and the society of Professional
> Engineers.  I browsed through several publications from these
> organizations.
> I found that these organizations have public disciplinary process that
> removes members and officers from these organizations.  All of these
> organizations have, a public evidence gathering process, a pseudo public
> trial where the evidence is given, and a public process where the
> statement
> of facts is given in their decisions of disciplining a member or officer.
>
> I had a hard time coming to a decisions because of a lack of a public
> process. Where the allegations against S. Gallinger legitimate for his
> removal from office. Does Steve Gallinger have legitimate
> grievances against
> the CIPS board.  The sad fact is we don't know.  I agree with the
> many of the
> members that this has torn this organization apart.
>
> Bill Ross has mentionned that we need to reform this
> organization.  I believe
> we need to change the process for the removal from office.  The implied
> statement that the national board will resign does not provide
> leadership to
> resolve this situation.  Arguing points in magazines such as
> Computing Canada
> is not the right process either.  I believe that CIPS needs an independent
> public body that deals with the removal of officers.  Trust us
> does not cut
> it from both sides.
>
> I believe that members of CIPS who have cooler heads need to take
> leadership
> of this issue to repair the damage caused by this distasteful event.
>
>
>
> Michael Bayer
>
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