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Mike:

CIPS has the same mechanisms as the law society, doctors, nurses, etc., for
removing or disciplining members, but  what you refer to is removal for
failing to uphold the requirements of membership. Doctors, nurses, and CIPS
members can be disciplined (and dismissed, if it's considered serious
enough) following a complaint about their practice of medicine or IT, as
the case may be. There has been no complaint about Steve's practice of IT.

Steve was removed because the rest of the board eventually came to the
conclusion that his behaviour at board meetings was sufficiently disruptive
that it could no longer be tolerated. His removal as VP has no effect on
his CIPS membership, or his professional designation; but boards have a
legal responsibility to ensure that they can function properly, and that
was the issue.

Regards,

Bill Ross






mbayer@my-dejanews.com on 03/19/99 01:40:29 PM

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Subject:  SGM thoughts




I have recently rejoined CIPS after returning to the Toronto area and I was
surprised to learn that Steve Gallinger was removed from office.  I have
served as a SIG Co-chair in the Toronto section for the Client/Server and
Internet SIGS. I have always enjoyed meeting new friends at the CIPS events
within Toronto.
However, I am troubled by the events that led to removal of S. Galinger
from
his office.  Some of my relatives belong to the College of Physicians and
Surgeons, the Ontario Nursing Association, and the society of Professional
Engineers.  I browsed through several publications from these
organizations.
I found that these organizations have public disciplinary process that
removes members and officers from these organizations.  All of these
organizations have, a public evidence gathering process, a pseudo public
trial where the evidence is given, and a public process where the statement
of facts is given in their decisions of disciplining a member or officer.
I had a hard time coming to a decisions because of a lack of a public
process. Where the allegations against S. Gallinger legitimate for his
removal from office. Does Steve Gallinger have legitimate grievances
against
the CIPS board.  The sad fact is we don't know.  I agree with the many of
the
members that this has torn this organization apart.
Bill Ross has mentionned that we need to reform this organization.  I
believe
we need to change the process for the removal from office.  The implied
statement that the national board will resign does not provide leadership
to
resolve this situation.  Arguing points in magazines such as Computing
Canada
is not the right process either.  I believe that CIPS needs an independent
public body that deals with the removal of officers.  Trust us does not cut
it from both sides.
I believe that members of CIPS who have cooler heads need to take
leadership
of this issue to repair the damage caused by this distasteful event.


Michael Bayer
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