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Hi all,

It has been suggested that we should have registered all the other domains
when we registered cips.ca. When we registered cips.ca, as Mark had noted,
there were a lot of difficulties with registering multiple domains. Mark,
thanks for the great summary.

As I recall CIPS domain was registered in July 1994, about 6 months after
the net became  commercially available in Toronto. We sometimes forget how
far we have come in these 5 short years. In particular, at the time .org
and .net had some pretty serious restrictions on their use and the .com
address was not typically used by non-profit associations at that time.
'Name-hoarding' was thought of as an inappropriate practice.

As for provincial names...we registered cips.ca specifically with the
intent we could do www.ab.cips.ca, www.ont.cips.ca, www.toronto.cips.ca,
etc. without having to pay any extra registration fees. We also looked
quite intensively into CA*net (eg. cips.on.ca, cips.ab.ca) but to
participate back then we had to pay a pretty hefty fee (ie. we couldn't
just 'use' cips.on.ca). CA*net was also much more geared to large
corporations at the time in their pricing and funding models.

We chose the base name 'cips.ca' so that we could easily develop all names
from it without incurring any further registration fees. Reference
www.vancouver.cips.ca for an example of this in action.  We wanted to be
masters of our own domain, as it were. As part of achieving this, we setup
our own DNS info so that creating these names would be under CIPS control.
It has been noted many times to sections and prov.associations that these
names are available, if desired.

Hope this provides some background.

Steve

At 12:34 PM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
>-- [ From: Mark Olson * EMC.Ver #3.0 ] --
>
>
>There was actually a fair amount of discussion regarding this on the
>CIPSNET mailing list at the time CIPS was establishing its' Internet
>host.
>
>First, I should point out that there are others who were much closer to
>these decisions than I was, and who I would invite to to add their
>corrections or omissions to my response.
>
>My recollection of the decision process, in summary, was that with CIPS
>being a national, Canadian non-commercial enterprise the .CA domain was
>most appropriate and also the most cost effective.  At the time, .COM
>and .ORG were supposed to be only for US based organizations, however
>that designation has since been, for all practical purposes, lost.
>
>Registering domains for the provinces has also already been considered.
>Having established CIPS.CA, we could establish bc.cips.ca, ab.cips.ca,
>sk.cips.ca, etc. any time we want to, and entirely under our own
>control.  The main reason it has not been done is that creating a
>separate directory for each provincial body (e.g. www.cips.ca/Alberta)
>accomplishes the same thing, is simpler to establish and maintain, and
>provides the desired message that the provincial ISP efforts are an
>integral part of the national effort.
>
>The problem with creating domains for each provincial body under the
>provincial domains (e.g. cips.bc.ca, cips.ab.ca, cips.sk.ca) would be
>that it would imply that the professional programs run independently
>within each province, which is not a message that any of the parties
>involved would wish to encourage.
>
>Mark Olson, I.S.P.
>
>
>
>-------- REPLY, Original message follows --------
>
>Date: Saturday, 13-Feb-99 10:52 AM
>
>From: James Crooks             \ Internet:    (jcrooks@vse.ca)
>To:   CIPS-L@hermes.csd.unb.ca \ Internet:    (cips-l@hermes.csd.unb.ca)
>
>Subject: Re: CIPS trademark and domains
>
>The only other critical domain names (so far) are cips.net ( registered
>to Consorzio Internet Providers Della Sardegna in Italy), cips.org
>(registered to The Chartered Institute of Purchasing & Supply in the UK)
>and of course cips.com (registered to Computer Integrated Phone
>Solutions Corp. in the MD USA - phone systems for healthcare).
>
>You can check out ownership of a US registered domain name via
>http://www.internic.net/ and a Canadian domain name via
>http://www.cdnnet.ca/search/index.html.
>
>The major worry is if one of the alternate names is an XXX rated site -
>or if it's taken by a legitimate business now, they may allow it to
>lapse and some less than upright enterprise picks up the name... Mostly
>an image thing and something that doesn't appear to be a worry for our
>CIPS at the moment for .com, .net and .org...
>
>We might consider registering our provincial orginizations under
>cips.bc.ca, cips.ab.ca, cips.sk.ca, etc., there currently is no charge
>for registration under .ca...
>
>/jc
>
>Ken Metcalfe wrote:
>
>> I am glad to see the concern expressed in protecting our trade marks -
>CIPS.
>>
>> It was expressed by one member that CIPS should have registered the
>domain cips.com.  I too think that it is sad that when those who
>> registered CIPS.CA they did not register CIPS.COM.  But I guess we are
>all prone to missing things even when it is areas of our own
>> expertise.
>>
>> No sense crying over "spilt milk" as it were or worrying about some
>conspiracy.  Better that we learn and try not to make the same
>> mistake again.
>>
>> This then baits the question - Are there any other domain names (i.e.
>CIPS.xx) which we should consider registering?  I am not an
>> Internet guru and thought that there are those here who can provide
>valuable comment.  So thanks in advance.
>>
>> Ken Metcalfe, I.S.P.
>> CIPS National Secretary/Treasurer
>
>--
>James Crooks BScCS I.S.P. CISSP, Technical Consultant-Technology
>Vancouver Stock Exchange - Voice 604-643-6568 FAX 604-643-6563
>mailto:jcrooks@vse.ca http://www.vse.ca ftp://ftp.vse.ca
>
>
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>

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