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Daniel A. Norton (danorton@albany.net) wrote:

: In <4utf7c$10t@lori.albany.net> maz@magik.albany.net (Matthew Zahorik)
: wrote:
: >Daniel A. Norton (danorton@albany.net) wrote:
: >
: >: This isn't a list between techies at the various companies -- it's
: >: between the _Presidents_.
: >
: >Wrong.
: >
: >Do a who albany-isp before making accusations.
: 
: I wasn't making an accusation, Matt, I was quoting you:
: 
: In <Pine.SUN.3.93.960804003032.10734R-100000@magik.albany.net> Matthew
: Zahorik <maz@albany.net> wrote:
: >It's a private list..  I leave it open for vital matters between
: >presidents of the various local ISPs, with no noise.

  Do you regularly violate someone's privacy by publically broadcasting 
private email without permission?  Shame.

  I will not deny a request to join from a president.

  What doesn't change is that the *membership* list is not all presidents.

: In <4utf7c$10t@lori.albany.net> maz@magik.albany.net (Matthew Zahorik)
: wrote:
: >It's mostly between the operational staff of the different orginizations.
: 
: Now, you are contradicting yourself, Matt.

  "I leave it open for" vs. "It is .. between".

  Read, Dan, Read.  My willingness to do something vs. what is really
happening.  Completely different contexts.  Again, at least one
orginization has no president on the list, but a technical contact.

: >If we did something to collude to try to do something, like
: >raising prices, what would prevent our customers from migrating to an
: >out-of-the-area provider?
: 
: So local ISPs can collude up to the $2-3/hr ceiling of national
: providers?

Um.. AT&T is $19.95 unlimited, or $24.95 if you're not an AT&T customer.
Netcom is $19.95 unlimited.  There are a dozen others that I can name that
are flat-rate unlimited at differing price points.

: But answer me this: Why should this stuff be private??

Why should a private discussion be public?

: >A good number of these things, if we had to be sensitive to how every word
: >could be interpeted and perceived by the general public, would be left
: >unsaid.
: 
: Boy, wouldn't business be easier if you didn't have to deal with
: _customers_!

Customers are supposed to be involved in all aspect of a business just
because they're serviced by a business?

Walk into your local chapter of the association of engineers.  Ask them to
open their filing cabinets, dump everything.  There might be price fixing
in the engineering industry..  Bids might be fixed.  You are a customer of
an engineer, you have a right to know.  If they have nothing to hide, why
shouldn't you go be able to see.

Goddamn it, because you are Dan, you have the right.  Why should you be
told no?

: Oh, it's very easy to disprove, Matt.  What's curious is your
: unwillingness to do so.

It's a matter of principle, Daniel.  What conceivable reason should you
have for prying into private conversations?  You've already shown that if
it suits your needs, you'll reveal private conversations for personal
gain.

If you're so worried about collusionary activity, there are goverment
agencies that watch out for that.  Call the Federal Trade Comission.
It's their job and they have the right to look into our affairs, by law.

What I do object to, is your attitude that you have a God-given right to
know.  When told that it's private, you start personally insulting me, and
when that doesn't work, you "are forced to take this .. public" in order
to get yourself into this list.

- Matt

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