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Started by Jonathan Apfelkern
Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
Microsoft declares war against the Internet
Author: Jonathan Apfelkern
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
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Microsoft declares war against open protocols, and thus against open source software and the internet. http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html Jonathan -- "take USABLE from UNSTABLE and you get NT"
Re: Microsoft declares war against the Internet
Author: Mark
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
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Jonathan Apfelkern wrote in message ... >Microsoft declares war against open protocols, and thus >against open source software and the internet. >http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html Nice to see the OSS community is as able bodied when it comes to FUD as M$. Nothing in this article is directly tied to M$. ( yet ) Until then, comments like the one in this post are pure, unadulterated FUD
Re: Microsoft declares war against the Internet
Author: Evan DiBiase
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
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Mark wrote: > > Jonathan Apfelkern wrote in message ... > >Microsoft declares war against open protocols, and thus > >against open source software and the internet. > >http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html > > Nice to see the OSS community is as able bodied when it comes to FUD as M$. > Nothing in this article is directly tied to M$. ( yet ) Until then, comments > like the one in this post are pure, unadulterated FUD Uh, the document was a MS internal strategy report. That seems relates to MS, don't you think? -Evan
Re: Microsoft declares war against the Internet
Author: Evan DiBiase
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
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Evan DiBiase wrote: > > Mark wrote: > > > > Jonathan Apfelkern wrote in message ... > > >Microsoft declares war against open protocols, and thus > > >against open source software and the internet. > > >http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html > > > > Nice to see the OSS community is as able bodied when it comes to FUD as M$. > > Nothing in this article is directly tied to M$. ( yet ) Until then, comments > > like the one in this post are pure, unadulterated FUD > > Uh, the document was a MS internal strategy report. That seems relates > to MS, don't you think? To be more clear: The document _may be_ a MS internal strategy report... -Evan
Re: Microsoft declares war against the Internet
Author: Mark
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
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Evan DiBiase wrote: > > Evan DiBiase wrote: > > > > Mark wrote: > > > > > > Jonathan Apfelkern wrote in message ... > > > >Microsoft declares war against open protocols, and thus > > > >against open source software and the internet. > > > >http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html > > > > > > Nice to see the OSS community is as able bodied when it comes to FUD as M$. > > > Nothing in this article is directly tied to M$. ( yet ) Until then, comments > > > like the one in this post are pure, unadulterated FUD > > > > Uh, the document was a MS internal strategy report. That seems relates > > to MS, don't you think? > > To be more clear: The document _may be_ a MS internal strategy report... > > -Evan Nice to see someone can see straight with all the paranoia in the air. And I thought only M$ faithful were 'lemmings' hehe... And yes, my first post was using M$ LookOut Excess, this post is with Linux... you have to be clear anymore with all the 'header-slurping' going on. ****************** If assholes had wings C.O.L.A would be an airport. ******************
Re: Microsoft declares war against the Internet
Author: Evan DiBiase
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
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Mark wrote: > > Evan DiBiase wrote: > > > > Evan DiBiase wrote: > > > > > > Mark wrote: > > > > > > > > Jonathan Apfelkern wrote in message ... > > > > >Microsoft declares war against open protocols, and thus > > > > >against open source software and the internet. > > > > >http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html > > > > > > > > Nice to see the OSS community is as able bodied when it comes to FUD as M$. > > > > Nothing in this article is directly tied to M$. ( yet ) Until then, comments > > > > like the one in this post are pure, unadulterated FUD > > > > > > Uh, the document was a MS internal strategy report. That seems relates > > > to MS, don't you think? > > > > To be more clear: The document _may be_ a MS internal strategy report... > > > > -Evan > > Nice to see someone can see straight with all the paranoia in the air. > And I thought only M$ faithful were 'lemmings' hehe... Can't be sure if this is an insult or a compliment, but if it's a complement, thank you ;) Afraid my brain typed too fast on the first post there. > > And yes, my first post was using M$ LookOut Excess, this post is with > Linux... > you have to be clear anymore with all the 'header-slurping' going on. Tsk, tsk. OK, we have to kill you now, it's too late to repent *unless you're running it under WINE* ;) > > ****************** > If assholes had wings > C.O.L.A would be an airport. > ****************** Didn't some guy get thrown out of court once for wearing something similar? "If shit could fly, this place would be an airport" or something like that. -Evan
Re: Microsoft declares war against the Internet
Author: Mark
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
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Evan DiBiase wrote in message <363E2D42.BEF0D524@sgi.net>... >> Nice to see someone can see straight with all the paranoia in the air. >> And I thought only M$ faithful were 'lemmings' hehe... > >Can't be sure if this is an insult or a compliment, but if it's a >complement, thank you ;) Afraid my brain typed too fast on the first >post there. Just thanking you for being a voice of reason in an unreasonable group! >Tsk, tsk. OK, we have to kill you now, it's too late to repent *unless >you're running it under WINE* ;) Yes....I know...I've died a thousand deaths!
Re: Microsoft declares war against the Internet
Author: Evan DiBiase
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 00:00
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Mark wrote: > > Evan DiBiase wrote in message <363E2D42.BEF0D524@sgi.net>... > > >> Nice to see someone can see straight with all the paranoia in the air. > >> And I thought only M$ faithful were 'lemmings' hehe... > > > >Can't be sure if this is an insult or a compliment, but if it's a > >complement, thank you ;) Afraid my brain typed too fast on the first > >post there. > > Just thanking you for being a voice of reason in an unreasonable group! Ah, OK. Like I said, I'm not quite coherent today. Thanks :) > > >Tsk, tsk. OK, we have to kill you now, it's too late to repent *unless > >you're running it under WINE* ;) > > Yes....I know...I've died a thousand deaths! Hehe... -Evan
Re: Microsoft declares war against the Internet
Author: Christopher Browne
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 00:00
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 00:00
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On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:27:43 -0500, Mark <ubercat@m3.sprynet.com> wrote: >Jonathan Apfelkern wrote in message ... >>Microsoft declares war against open protocols, and thus >>against open source software and the internet. >>http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html >Nice to see the OSS community is as able bodied when it comes to FUD as >M$. Nothing in this article is directly tied to M$. ( yet ) Until >then, comments like the one in this post are pure, unadulterated FUD I find it quite interesting that there has been *no* comment as to how ESR wound up with the document that he then comments on. All said, the document has the *feel* of being what a group at Microsoft would write. It doesn't read like a bad parody. If it's a fake, it is a carefully crafted fake that *could* be true. -- "There are two types of hackers working on Linux: those who can spell, and those who can't. There is a constant, pitched battle between the two camps." --Russ Nelson (Linux Kernel Summary, Ver. 1.1.75 -> 1.1.76) cbbrowne@hex.net- <http//www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
Re: Microsoft declares war against the Internet
Author: Roger Christie
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 00:00
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 00:00
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Christopher Browne wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:27:43 -0500, Mark <ubercat@m3.sprynet.com> wrote: > >Jonathan Apfelkern wrote in message ... > >>Microsoft declares war against open protocols, and thus > >>against open source software and the internet. > >>http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html > > >Nice to see the OSS community is as able bodied when it comes to FUD as > >M$. Nothing in this article is directly tied to M$. ( yet ) Until > >then, comments like the one in this post are pure, unadulterated FUD > > I find it quite interesting that there has been *no* comment as to how > ESR wound up with the document that he then comments on. > > All said, the document has the *feel* of being what a group at Microsoft > would write. It doesn't read like a bad parody. If it's a fake, it is > a carefully crafted fake that *could* be true. > Microsoft has acknowledged its authenticity. At least that was what the Boston Globe reported this morning.
Microsoft Confirms Halloween Document
Author: William H. Ball
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 00:00
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 00:00
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On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:27:43 -0500, Mark <ubercat@m3.sprynet.com> wrote: > >Jonathan Apfelkern wrote in message ... >>Microsoft declares war against open protocols, and thus >>against open source software and the internet. >>http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html > >Nice to see the OSS community is as able bodied when it comes to FUD as M$. >Nothing in this article is directly tied to M$. ( yet ) Until then, comments >like the one in this post are pure, unadulterated FUD > FYI: Today's (3 Nov) Washington Post Business section, pg. E2, "Microsoft Paper Talked of Blunting Rival Threat" by Elizabeth Corcoran: "Edward Muth, a group product manager at Microsoft who was involved with the development of Windows 2000, described the document as 'a snapshot in time of how an engineer - Vinod - saw the issues.'" it is confirmed... it *is* a Microsoft document... this *is* part of its corporate think-speak... its actions *are* documented by numerous authors, articles, books, lawsuits... the article mentions "blunting OSS attacks...", highlights the suggestion to pervert established networking protocols for its advantage... what do you think is going on with Internet Exploder? why do you think Sun had to take Microsoft to court about changing Java? this is interesting history in the making, folks... what i find intriguing is the current series of TV ads playing in the U.S., which shows an unfortunate miscreant of a feral street urchin in a 'touchy feely' Microsoft ad... M$ is throwing millions of dollars into TV ads, probably working up for the XMas feeding frenzy here in the U.S.
Re: Microsoft declares war against the Internet
Author: Evan DiBiase
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:00
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:00
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Fraggle wrote: > > On Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:17:06 -0500, Evan DiBiase <hyprsoft@sgi.net> wrote: > >Evan DiBiase wrote: > >> > >> Mark wrote: > >> > > >> > Jonathan Apfelkern wrote in message ... > >> > >Microsoft declares war against open protocols, and thus > >> > >against open source software and the internet. > >> > >http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/halloween.html > >> > > >> > Nice to see the OSS community is as able bodied when it comes to FUD as M$. > >> > Nothing in this article is directly tied to M$. ( yet ) Until then, comments > >> > like the one in this post are pure, unadulterated FUD > >> > >> Uh, the document was a MS internal strategy report. That seems relates > >> to MS, don't you think? > > > >To be more clear: The document _may be_ a MS internal strategy report... > > To be more clear: The document /is/ an MS internal memo. Microsoft admitted it > to the Wall St Journal and NY Times. Well, yeah, but check the time of my post. -Evan > > -- > Know how to save 5 drowning lawyers? > > -No? > > GOOD!
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