🚀 go-pugleaf

On 11/15/2011 11:27 AM, Cydrome Leader wrote:
> smr<me@shawnritchie.com>  wrote:
>> On 11/15/2011 2:22 AM, Cydrome Leader wrote:
>>> Adam H. Kerman<ahk@chinet.com>   wrote:
>>>> dye<dye11@adsl-64-108-194-61.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net>   wrote:
>>>>> Cydrome Leader<presence@MUNGEpanix.com>   wrote:
>>>>>> Bruce Esquibel<bje@ripco.com>   wrote:
>>>>>>> dye<dye@adsl-64-108-194-61.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> At the time, chicagonet.net didn't detect two 64k connections,
>>>>>>>> so I got all the computers in the network 128K access for
>>>>>>>> $15/month....a bit of an improvement over 40k "dialout"
>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmm, that doesn't sound right.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe they didn't detect it but must of permitted it, the channel bonding
>>>>>>> for ISDN was mostly an option to support, I don't think it was "on" by
>>>>>>> default with most hardware.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Besides the profile to support the bonding, the stuff we used (livingston
>>>>>>> and 3com) I think used a stock profile setting "Line-Limit=1" so if someone
>>>>>>> borrowed someone elses login and tried to use it, both connections were
>>>>>>> dropped.
>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm just saying, was probably more intentional than accidental.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe they outsourced.
>>>>
>>>>>> I think I used chicagonet if it was the NT (really) based ISP that just
>>>>>> rented dialup pool connections from level3 or something like that.
>>>>
>>>>>> lots of those places really didn't know if you had both channels up. It
>>>>>> took RCN years to notice I (and everybody) was doing that.
>>>>
>>>>> They had two different price plans, so not intentional.  I seem to
>>>>> remember my one data line being "dialed out" most of the time.
>>>>> Since it was a "Band A" call, it was 5 cents, untimed.
>>>>
>>>> Timed data call is the stupidity that prevented ISDN from being more
>>>> widely deployed and kept numerous people on modems who would have
>>>> bought digital service instead.
>>>
>>> Was this strictly because it was data or a "business" type service?
>>>
>>> I'm sure this changed at some point, but as I recall businesses always
>>> payed per minute for their calls and didn't get the flat rate or callpack
>>> stuff consumers got. With the ISDN stuff, unless you said it was home
>>> service, you'd pay the always higher business rates even if you never
>>> placed a call.
>>
>> Yep. Businesses never got the flat rate stuff that I recall, either. I
>> had a few arguments with their billing for my dual-ISDN where they
>> somehow thought my home was a business.
>>
>>> The other deregulation era complete joke was "reciprocal compensation"-
>>> where in theory, ameritech would pay you to terminal a phone call if you
>>> did it digitally or though your own switch or something like that. Of
>>> course they never payed unles you sued for so many years that everybody
>>> forogt what the suit was even about.
>>
>> Ah, CABS fees. These are still a very hilariously entertaining part of
>> the phone biz. We're all breaking a fuckton of Federal regulations and
>> laws with how we handle 'em, is my guess. Basically, we all agree to not
>> charge each other the recip comp fees. Every once in a while, some
>> small-town asshole company makes a stink about it and we have to band
>> together with the big dogs to let the little company know what's going
>> to happen to their business overall if they really try to push the CABS
>> issue.
>
> haha.
>
> what sort of handwritten bills do those hick grain, electric and phone
> co-ops come up with? $148.23?

Yeah, it's usually some ridiculous amount not worth squabbling over, but 
there have been a few court cases over the years.

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smr