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In article <j23kvv$a3m$2@reader1.panix.com>,
Cydrome Leader  <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>> smr <me@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>> 
>>>>At one office, they'd set up Outlook Express years ago. What a horrid client.
>> 
>>>>They've got an AT&T Web hosting account, through which they also get email.
>>>>After the help desk previously denied that they had an IMAP server, one of
>>>>the help desk droids admitted that they did indeed have an IMAP server.
>> 
>>>>So I switched Outlook Express from POP3 to IMAP. I don't know if it's IMAP4,
>>>>because it doesn't say. It's helpful to be able to check messages remotely,
>>>>which I cannot do with POP3.
>> 
>>>>How do I adjust the folder order as it appears on the left side
>>>>of the screen?  Even though I deleted or moved the messages in the
>>>>local Inbox set up for POP3, I cannot delete these mailboxes. It's a
>>>>feature. Meanwhile, the IMAP inboxes, the ones I need to check regularly,
>>>>appear at the end of the list.
>> 
>>>>The synchronization feature is likely to cause problems, so I turned it off.
>> 
>>>>How do I move the IMAP inboxes to the top of the folder list in the
>>>>left pane?
>> 
>>>>It's pretty obvious that Outlook Express assumed most users would use POP3
>>>>so they put little thought into making it easy to use IMAP.
>> 
>>>Honestly, Adam, upgrade to a better client. Express is EOL'd, full of 
>>>security issues, and barely understands IMAP at all.
>> 
>> I've used Windows Live Mail. It has nearly no configurable features! It's
>> unforgivable that early versions were unable to quote in a conventional
>> manner in reply by default.
>> 
>>>As for what you want to do: you can't.
>> 
>> What I want is for "programmers" of Windows mailers to be unable to
>> reproduce so these applications go away. They all suck. But how do I
>> teach a bunch of volunteers, all older than me, how to use Mail appropriately
>> from the Unix shell?
>
>just give them thunderbird, configured correctly and they'll be ok.
>
>> I've used pine, and now alpine, for years. It sucks, too, but the one
>> thing it gets perfect is IMAP4 as both are from the same group of programmers.
>
>barely. mark crispin is as stupid as the typical programmer. 
>
>> This is what I want:
>> 
>> 1) Never encode text messages. quoted-printable must die. It's so stupid
>> to encode by default given how readily 8-bit gateways are established.
>> 
>> 2) Stop inserting pointless non-ASCII characters like single and double
>> quotes, hyphens, and spaces. In quotes, make it easy to substitute the
>> proper ASCII character for the non-ASCII character.
>> 
>> 3) If the message contains no UTF8 characters, don't mark it UTF8 for
>> some bullshit trying to prove that "my character set is bigger than
>> yours!" If there are no 16-bit characters, then mark it with the
>> appropriate 8-bit character set like ISO-8859-1 or -15 (which includes
>> the Euro currency symbol). If there are only 7-bit characters, then
>> mark it ASCII.
>> 
>> 4) No goddam alternative part attachments by default. Don't even make
>> that a feature that can be activated.
>> 
>> 5) There isn't a single client I've ever found that can get format=flowed
>> to work correctly with quoted text. So don't turn that feature on
>> by default.
>> 
>> 6) Stop delimiting URLs with parentheses and underscores. Gah! Who the
>> fuck writes this shit? The delimiter, if there must be a delimiter,
>> is a pair of angle brackets.
>> 
>> 7) There isn't a single client that has figured out that quoted
>> URLs broken across line boundaries aren't parseable. If you quote a
>> broken URL, it must be re-assembled before quoting.
>> 
>> 8) Stop breaking long URLs period when the user is in the composer.
>> Just send it as a long line.
>
>Lots of this whining makes it sound like you just less your mail off the 
>spool or cat the files into some dot matrix printer and then get upset 
>when all your paper get wasted.
>
>I do agree that email should just be plain ASCII. Fuck anbody else that 
>doesn't know English, and I'm serious too. If you don't speak a real 
>language, you aren't ready for computers yet.
>
>


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