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Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>>>At one office, they'd set up Outlook Express years ago. What a
>>>>horrid client.

>>>>They've got an AT&T Web hosting account, through which they also
>>>>get email.  After the help desk previously denied that they had an
>>>>IMAP server, one of the help desk droids admitted that they did indeed
>>>>have an IMAP server.

>>>>So I switched Outlook Express from POP3 to IMAP. I don't know if
>>>>it's IMAP4, because it doesn't say. It's helpful to be able to check
>>>>messages remotely, which I cannot do with POP3.

>>>>How do I adjust the folder order as it appears on the left side
>>>>of the screen?  Even though I deleted or moved the messages in the
>>>>local Inbox set up for POP3, I cannot delete these mailboxes. It's a
>>>>feature. Meanwhile, the IMAP inboxes, the ones I need to check regularly,
>>>>appear at the end of the list.

>>>I've not used OE in some years, but recall you can hide junk accounts with 
>>>a new "identity", and the switch between them.

>>I saw a way to toggle the visibility of folders in the two IMAP accounts,
>>but there didn't seem to be a way to hide the default local folders created
>>for retrieving Mail via POP3.

>Here's the first problem- pop3. throw that shit away, the 90s are over.
>The second you configure pop3, you're already 
>doing it wrong.

Sigh.

I just told you: As soon as AT&T Web hosting told me that an IMAP4 server
was actually available, I switched from POP3 to IMAP in Outlook Express.
Then I deleted or archived all messages in local folders created by default
in POP3. Nevertheless, the client prevents me from deleting the empty
folders.

>>>>The synchronization feature is likely to cause problems, so I turned
>>>>it off.

>>>never heard of this.

>>When it connects to the INBOX via IMAP, or one of the folders on the
>>remote host, it creates a cache of those mailboxes locally. It saves the
>>cache by default, but it can be purged. The trouble is that the user
>>increases the chance that the wrong email message will be deleted by
>>default since it's not immediately obvious if the action takes effect
>>on the cached message or the message on the remote server.

>I used outlook express for years and never had these problems. Maybe AT&T 
>runs some buggy shit like UW imap that's been ported to windows or 
>something like that.

Uh, it's AT&T. They aren't running Windows, nor would they run Berkeley
Unixes. It's a modified Debian.

The synchronization is a feature of client, not server. The commands
are one step removed from the action to be taken on the actual mailbox,
so it's stupid and likely to cause problems if there's a glitch in the
connection while the command is issued but not yet processed remotely.