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On 2011-08-12, Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
> Kristian M Zoerhoff <kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2011-08-12, Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>> Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
>>>>>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>>At one office, they'd set up Outlook Express years ago. What a horrid 
>>>>>>client. 
>>>> 
>>>>>>They've got an AT&T Web hosting account, through which they also get 
>>>>>>email. After the help desk previously denied that they had an IMAP 
>>>>>>server, one of the help desk droids admitted that they did indeed have 
>>>>>>an IMAP server.
>>>> 
>>>>>>So I switched Outlook Express from POP3 to IMAP. I don't know if it's 
>>>>>>IMAP4, because it doesn't say. It's helpful to be able to check 
>>>>>>messages remotely, which I cannot do with POP3.
>>>> 
>>>>>>How do I adjust the folder order as it appears on the left side
>>>>>>of the screen?  Even though I deleted or moved the messages in the
>>>>>>local Inbox set up for POP3, I cannot delete these mailboxes. It's a
>>>>>>feature. Meanwhile, the IMAP inboxes, the ones I need to check regularly,
>>>>>>appear at the end of the list.
>>>> 
>>>>>I've not used OE in some years, but recall you can hide junk accounts with 
>>>>>a new "identity", and the switch between them.
>>>> 
>>>> I saw a way to toggle the visibility of folders in the two IMAP accounts,
>>>> but there didn't seem to be a way to hide the default local folders created
>>>> for retrieving Mail via POP3.
>>>
>>> Here's the first problem- pop3. throw that shit away, the 90s are over. 
>>> The second you configure pop3, you're already 
>>> doing it wrong.
>>>
>>>>>>The synchronization feature is likely to cause problems, so I turned 
>>>>>>it off.
>>>> 
>>>>>never heard of this.
>>>> 
>>>> When it connects to the INBOX via IMAP, or one of the folders on the
>>>> remote host, it creates a cache of those mailboxes locally. It saves the
>>>> cache by default, but it can be purged. The trouble is that the user
>>>> increases the chance that the wrong email message will be deleted by
>>>> default since it's not immediately obvious if the action takes effect
>>>> on the cached message or the message on the remote server.
>>>
>>> I used outlook express for years and never had these problems. Maybe AT&T 
>>> runs some buggy shit like UW imap that's been ported to windows or 
>>> something like that.
>>>
>>> It's not uncommon for hundreds of people to be logged into my IMAP servers 
>>> and I've stepped people through virtually any IMAP client ever written 
>>> over at least 10 years now and we're talking some with extreme mailboxes 
>>> exceeding 20GB and hundreds of thousands of messages, including bizarre 
>>> stuff like 45,000 messages in their inbox. yeah, the blackberry client 
>>> used to asplode past 8192 or so messages per folder. I've never seen mutt 
>>> go past 20,000 per folder, and OE has no problem going past 32k messages 
>>> per folder or even the inbox.
>> 
>> I've used Mutt to ~75,000 in a single folder. It was slow as shit to sync, 
>> but once it had the message list up, it flew. 
>
> flew where? into a fucking core file?

The trash, as I didn't need 90% of them. I can't remember crashing Mutt 
recently, thought I'm sure I have. Usually, Gmail decides to close the 
secure IMAP connection for no good reason, which is much more of a deterrant 
to its use. I persist because Gmail still can't figure out proper threading 
via its web interface, whereas Mutt nails it.

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Kristian Zoerhoff
kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com