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8 total messages Started by Mark Anderson Mon, 19 Dec 2011 05:10
Sun Time now has a pay wall
#393
Author: Mark Anderson
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 05:10
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I hadn't heard any news about this.  Here's a popup I just got for 
trying to read a Sun Times article.  I like the Sun Times but not sure 
if I'll read more than 20 of their articles/month.  

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Thanks for visiting the best online source for local news and 
information. Every 30 days you may access 20 pages of our award-winning 
journalism for free. You have now viewed 10 pages. For full, unlimited 
website access, sign up now for an online subscription.

    * Current newspaper subscribers: Save 66% on a digital subscription 
if you are already a subscriber to one of our 40 Sun-Times Media 
newspapers. Unlimited website access is available for $1.99 every four 
weeks.
    * Not a newspaper subscriber? An online subscription is available 
for $6.99 every four weeks with a discount if you subscribe for a year.

As a digital subscriber you will receive unlimited access to all current 
content for Sun-Times Media websites featuring:

    * News
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Re: Sun Time now has a pay wall
#394
Author: Kristian M Zoerhoff
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:13
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On 2011-12-19, Mark Anderson <mea@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
> I hadn't heard any news about this.  Here's a popup I just got for 
> trying to read a Sun Times article.  I like the Sun Times but not sure 
> if I'll read more than 20 of their articles/month.  

The Daily Herald's was broken within a week (I have a bookmarklet if I need 
it). I'm sure the Sun-Times' won't last long, either, unless they actually 
set up completely separate servers for free vs. paid content. Anything based 
on cookies or IP addresses is just window dressing.

-- 

Kristian M Zoerhoff
Re: Sun Time now has a pay wall
#395
Author: Cydrome Leader
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:42
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Kristian M Zoerhoff <zoerhoff@sdf.org> wrote:
> On 2011-12-19, Mark Anderson <mea@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
>> I hadn't heard any news about this.  Here's a popup I just got for 
>> trying to read a Sun Times article.  I like the Sun Times but not sure 
>> if I'll read more than 20 of their articles/month.  
> 
> The Daily Herald's was broken within a week (I have a bookmarklet if I need 
> it). I'm sure the Sun-Times' won't last long, either, unless they actually 
> set up completely separate servers for free vs. paid content. Anything based 
> on cookies or IP addresses is just window dressing.

I think I'd pay for this if there were NO ads of any sort at all once you 
login.

Other than that, newspapers are stupid, like the airlines and they all 
deserve to fail.
Re: Sun Time now has a pay wall
#396
Author: Kristian M Zoerhoff
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:47
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On 2011-12-19, Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
> Kristian M Zoerhoff <zoerhoff@sdf.org> wrote:
>> On 2011-12-19, Mark Anderson <mea@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
>>> I hadn't heard any news about this.  Here's a popup I just got for 
>>> trying to read a Sun Times article.  I like the Sun Times but not sure 
>>> if I'll read more than 20 of their articles/month.  
>> 
>> The Daily Herald's was broken within a week (I have a bookmarklet if I need 
>> it). I'm sure the Sun-Times' won't last long, either, unless they actually 
>> set up completely separate servers for free vs. paid content. Anything based 
>> on cookies or IP addresses is just window dressing.
>
> I think I'd pay for this if there were NO ads of any sort at all once you 
> login.

When the DH implemented their paywall, I heard from an insider that they 
were now making more money on subscriptions than ads, and ad revenue is 
continuing to drop. Maybe they should just drop the ads and fire the entire 
sales staff, and save themselves the overhead.

> Other than that, newspapers are stupid, like the airlines and they all 
> deserve to fail.

Newspaper management is stupid, but having journalists around to keep the 
gov't at least a little bit honest is nice. Too bad only about 0.0001% of 
journos actually fall into that boat, as opposed to writing food columns or 
glorified cat blogs. Have you read the "Neighbor" section of any newspaper 
recently? 

-- 

Kristian M Zoerhoff
Re: Sun Time now has a pay wall
#397
Author: jamie
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:59
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In article <slrn3vfsjeuokm.4ka.zoerhoff@sdf.lonestar.org>,
Kristian M Zoerhoff  <zoerhoff@sdf.org> wrote:
>On 2011-12-19, Mark Anderson <mea@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
>> I hadn't heard any news about this.  Here's a popup I just got for 
>> trying to read a Sun Times article.  I like the Sun Times but not sure 
>> if I'll read more than 20 of their articles/month.  
>
>The Daily Herald's was broken within a week (I have a bookmarklet if I need 
>it). I'm sure the Sun-Times' won't last long, either, unless they actually 
>set up completely separate servers for free vs. paid content. Anything based 
>on cookies or IP addresses is just window dressing.

It's pitifully simple.  Just close the pop-up and hit x to keep the brower from
reloading.  Much simpler than the NYT.

Jamie
Re: Sun Time now has a pay wall
#398
Author: Brent
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:56
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On 2011-12-19, Kristian M Zoerhoff <zoerhoff@sdf.org> wrote:

> Newspaper management is stupid, but having journalists around to keep the 
> gov't at least a little bit honest is nice. Too bad only about 0.0001% of 
> journos actually fall into that boat, as opposed to writing food columns or 
> glorified cat blogs. Have you read the "Neighbor" section of any newspaper 
> recently? 

Established newspapers only have themselves to blame regarding keeping
government honest. They largely couldn't be bothered to do more than
re-write a government press release or spew forth the talking points or
just try to manipulate people's thinking. With the internet people went
elsewhere for real journalism. 
Re: Sun Time now has a pay wall
#399
Author: Adam H. Kerman
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:51
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>    * Current newspaper subscribers: Save 66% on a digital subscription 
>if you are already a subscriber to one of our 40 Sun-Times Media 
>newspapers. Unlimited website access is available for $1.99 every four 
>weeks.

Wow. I'm a subscriber, but I can't use it.
Re: Sun Time now has a pay wall
#400
Author: Cydrome Leader
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 20:15
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Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>----cut here-------
>>    * Current newspaper subscribers: Save 66% on a digital subscription 
>>if you are already a subscriber to one of our 40 Sun-Times Media 
>>newspapers. Unlimited website access is available for $1.99 every four 
>>weeks.
> 
> Wow. I'm a subscriber, but I can't use it.

are they supposed to be nagging me if I look at the site too much? It's not happening if that's 
the case.
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