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Dave U. Random wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013, nelson rocketfella <alt.dev@null.se> wrote:
>
>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>>
>>>> chatnoir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://occupydenver.org/119-explore-the-alternative-economy/
>>>>>
>>>>> When: Saturday, January 19th @ 9am
>>>>> Where: Kirk of Bonnie Brae, 1201 S. Steele Street, Denver, CO 80210
>>>>>
>>>>> The purpose of Social Forum is to organize, educate and empower people
>>>>> on critical issues; sharing knowledge; and teaching skills to build
>>>>> alternative and sustainable systems that better meet our human needs.
>>>>> Through the Social Forum model, individuals reflect on their own
>>>>> purpose and how to make a difference, and hopefully we can create the
>>>>> consciousness that we have the knowledge and skills and the power to
>>>>> create the change we desire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Workshops: 9am to 12:30pm
>>>>> Worker Cooperatives � This workshop will discuss the Worker
>>>>> Cooperatives (employee-ownership model) which are business entities
>>>>> that are owned and operated by their employees. It creates a
>>>>> sustainable economy, stable, and non-competitive jobs that can�t be
>>>>> sold out, and that build community. Bill Kirton & Dick Peterson
>>>>> http://www.rmeoc.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Alternative Currency � In this workshop, we will explore Denver�s
>>>>> brand new local currency.  This becomes a self-financing revolution to
>>>>> create a bottom-up economy with self-sufficiency, and self-government.
>>>>> No waiting, voting, or asking permission from the corrupt.  You can
>>>>> learn how you can benefit from Hours as an individual, or business. We
>>>>> have set up 5 local, currency systems in 8 months. Each can trade with
>>>>> one another, and none support big-box stores. �The People are the
>>>>> gold, and can create a more abundant future immediately!� Wayne
>>>>> Walton  http://www.milehighhours.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Money, Public Banking, and Global Transformation �
>>>>> In this workshop, we will examine the following: Money is ubiquitous,
>>>>> but few people understand what it really is and how control over its
>>>>> creation and availability affects global, local, and individual
>>>>> conditions. Clarity, regarding what money is, enables us to transform
>>>>> the monetary system so that it serves people, rather than the other
>>>>> way around, which is currently the case. The transformation process
>>>>> requires, at a minimum, three initiatives: public banking; verifiable
>>>>> voting and public-only campaign financing; and decentralized media
>>>>> ownership. Robert Bows  http://publicbankinginstitute.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Open Forum: 12:30pm
>>>>> Time to brainstorm and choose the next step for our community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please bring a healthy dish to share, if unable, please come anyway
>>>>
>>>> "We ask that the government undertake the obligation
>>>> above all of providing citizens with adequate
>>>> opportunity for employment and earning a living.
>>>> The activities of the individual must not be allowed
>>>> to clash with the interests of the community, but must
>>>> take place within its confines and be for the good of
>>>> all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the
>>>> financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big
>>>> business. We demand a broad extension of care for the
>>>> aged. We demand... the greatest possible consideration
>>>> of small business in the purchases of national, state,
>>>> and municipal governments. In order to make possible
>>>> to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment
>>>> of higher education and thus the achievement of a post
>>>> of leadership, the government must provide an all-
>>>> around enlargement of our entire system of public
>>>> education... We demand the education at government
>>>> expense of gifted children of poor parents... The
>>>> government must undertake the improvement of public
>>>> health by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting
>>>> child labor... by the greatest possible support for
>>>> all clubs concerned with the physical education of
>>>> youth. We combat the... materialistic spirit within
>>>> and without us, and are convinced that a permanent
>>>> recovery of our people can only proceed from within
>>>> on the foundation of the common good before the
>>>> individual good."
>>>
>>> Woops, forgot to add the attribution:
>>>
>>> - Nazi Party policy statement, Munich, February 1920.
>>>
>>> Sounds a whole lot like the nonsense the Sidewalk Shitters
>>> spew, doesn't it?  ;-)
>>>
>>> Lord Valve
>>> unHippie
>>>
>>>
>> Word for word almost...
>>
>
> Protests are useless against governments.  Governments always win,
> and protestors always fail.  There is no fighting against city hall.
> Anyone who thinks otherwise is putting themselves into harm's way.
> Government would just as soon kill you as look at you.  And that is
> because government can do anything they want, at any time they want,
> with impunity.  Government isn't accountable to anyone.  Government
> is what religious fanatics call "God."
>
> Protest movements of any variety, or those pursuing any cause, are
> born of a cult following.  Some charismatic leader comes along and,
> through cleverly-crafted lies and deceit of the most insidious and
> subtle sort, convinces unwary and inexperienced humans within his,
> her, or their, confidence that beneficial change is possible without
> wholesale genocidal bloodshed and pandemic tragedy killing and ruining
> everyone and everything in their path, -- and then some, --provoking
> ten-fold retaliation if not vastly more, e.g., Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
> Rarely does evil die quietly or go gently into that good night.  Take
> one evildoer out and there will be a thousand more to take his place.
> Evil always wins.  Kindness, gentleness, honesty, generosity, good
> will, has always been a losing proposition against evildoers.
>
> The enemy cannot be defeated one by one nor several by several.  It
> is only through self-sacrifice and the most lethal methods available,
> say cutting-edge, totally scientific state of the art germ warfare,
> that the enemy can be utterly and thoroughly destroyed.  Short of that,
> these young and foolish protesters are merely wasting not only their
> own time, but also the time of government agents whom are tasked with
> co-opting, subduing and frustrating such feeble attempts at attacking
> the unassailable, indomitable, forces of evil which rule this world.
>
> Evil has always prevailed.  Anyone who fights against it will become
> disappointed and disillusioned.  Best thing to do is avoid interaction
> with evil like you'd avoid the plague.
>
A depressing but still realistic read on things.