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On Fri, 11 Jan 2013, nelson rocketfella <alt.dev@null.se> wrote:
>Dave U. Random wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013, nelson rocketfella <alt.dev@null.se> wrote:
>>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>>>> chatnoir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://occupydenver.org/119-explore-the-alternative-economy/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When: Saturday, January 19th @ 9am
>>>>>> Where: Kirk of Bonnie Brae, 1201 S. Steele Street, Denver, CO 80210
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The purpose of Social Forum is to organize, educate and empower people
>>>>>> on critical issues; sharing knowledge; and teaching skills to build
>>>>>> alternative and sustainable systems that better meet our human needs.
>>>>>> Through the Social Forum model, individuals reflect on their own
>>>>>> purpose and how to make a difference, and hopefully we can create the
>>>>>> consciousness that we have the knowledge and skills and the power to
>>>>>> create the change we desire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Workshops: 9am to 12:30pm
>>>>>> Worker Cooperatives � This workshop will discuss the Worker
>>>>>> Cooperatives (employee-ownership model) which are business entities
>>>>>> that are owned and operated by their employees. It creates a
>>>>>> sustainable economy, stable, and non-competitive jobs that can�t be
>>>>>> sold out, and that build community. Bill Kirton & Dick Peterson
>>>>>> http://www.rmeoc.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alternative Currency � In this workshop, we will explore Denver�s
>>>>>> brand new local currency.  This becomes a self-financing revolution to
>>>>>> create a bottom-up economy with self-sufficiency, and self-government.
>>>>>> No waiting, voting, or asking permission from the corrupt.  You can
>>>>>> learn how you can benefit from Hours as an individual, or business. We
>>>>>> have set up 5 local, currency systems in 8 months. Each can trade with
>>>>>> one another, and none support big-box stores. �The People are the
>>>>>> gold, and can create a more abundant future immediately!� Wayne
>>>>>> Walton  http://www.milehighhours.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Money, Public Banking, and Global Transformation �
>>>>>> In this workshop, we will examine the following: Money is ubiquitous,
>>>>>> but few people understand what it really is and how control over its
>>>>>> creation and availability affects global, local, and individual
>>>>>> conditions. Clarity, regarding what money is, enables us to transform
>>>>>> the monetary system so that it serves people, rather than the other
>>>>>> way around, which is currently the case. The transformation process
>>>>>> requires, at a minimum, three initiatives: public banking; verifiable
>>>>>> voting and public-only campaign financing; and decentralized media
>>>>>> ownership. Robert Bows  http://publicbankinginstitute.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Open Forum: 12:30pm
>>>>>> Time to brainstorm and choose the next step for our community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please bring a healthy dish to share, if unable, please come anyway
>>>>>
>>>>> "We ask that the government undertake the obligation
>>>>> above all of providing citizens with adequate
>>>>> opportunity for employment and earning a living.
>>>>> The activities of the individual must not be allowed
>>>>> to clash with the interests of the community, but must
>>>>> take place within its confines and be for the good of
>>>>> all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the
>>>>> financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big
>>>>> business. We demand a broad extension of care for the
>>>>> aged. We demand... the greatest possible consideration
>>>>> of small business in the purchases of national, state,
>>>>> and municipal governments. In order to make possible
>>>>> to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment
>>>>> of higher education and thus the achievement of a post
>>>>> of leadership, the government must provide an all-
>>>>> around enlargement of our entire system of public
>>>>> education... We demand the education at government
>>>>> expense of gifted children of poor parents... The
>>>>> government must undertake the improvement of public
>>>>> health by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting
>>>>> child labor... by the greatest possible support for
>>>>> all clubs concerned with the physical education of
>>>>> youth. We combat the... materialistic spirit within
>>>>> and without us, and are convinced that a permanent
>>>>> recovery of our people can only proceed from within
>>>>> on the foundation of the common good before the
>>>>> individual good."
>>>>
>>>> Woops, forgot to add the attribution:
>>>>
>>>> - Nazi Party policy statement, Munich, February 1920.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds a whole lot like the nonsense the Sidewalk Shitters
>>>> spew, doesn't it?  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Lord Valve
>>>> unHippie
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Word for word almost...
>>>
>>
>> Protests are useless against governments.  Governments always win,
>> and protestors always fail.  There is no fighting against city hall.
>> Anyone who thinks otherwise is putting themselves into harm's way.
>> Government would just as soon kill you as look at you.  And that is
>> because government can do anything they want, at any time they want,
>> with impunity.  Government isn't accountable to anyone.  Government
>> is what religious fanatics call "God."
>>
>> Protest movements of any variety, or those pursuing any cause, are
>> born of a cult following.  Some charismatic leader comes along and,
>> through cleverly-crafted lies and deceit of the most insidious and
>> subtle sort, convinces unwary and inexperienced humans within his,
>> her, or their, confidence that beneficial change is possible without
>> wholesale genocidal bloodshed and pandemic tragedy killing and ruining
>> everyone and everything in their path, -- and then some, --provoking
>> ten-fold retaliation if not vastly more, e.g., Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>> Rarely does evil die quietly or go gently into that good night.  Take
>> one evildoer out and there will be a thousand more to take his place.
>> Evil always wins.  Kindness, gentleness, honesty, generosity, good
>> will, has always been a losing proposition against evildoers.
>>
>> The enemy cannot be defeated one by one nor several by several.  It
>> is only through self-sacrifice and the most lethal methods available,
>> say cutting-edge, totally scientific state of the art germ warfare,
>> that the enemy can be utterly and thoroughly destroyed.  Short of that,
>> these young and foolish protesters are merely wasting not only their
>> own time, but also the time of government agents whom are tasked with
>> co-opting, subduing and frustrating such feeble attempts at attacking
>> the unassailable, indomitable, forces of evil which rule this world.
>>
>> Evil has always prevailed.  Anyone who fights against it will become
>> disappointed and disillusioned.  Best thing to do is avoid interaction
>> with evil like you'd avoid the plague.
>>
>A depressing but still realistic read on things.

There are a lot of good things about this world, but government,
religion, and their bastard child money, just don't happen to be one
of them.

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Bub