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Dave U. Random wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2013, nelson rocketfella <alt.dev@null.se> wrote:
>> Dave U. Random wrote:
>>> On Mon, 07 Jan 2013, nelson rocketfella <alt.dev@null.se> wrote:
>>>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>>>> Lord Valve wrote:
>>>>>> chatnoir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://occupydenver.org/119-explore-the-alternative-economy/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When: Saturday, January 19th @ 9am
>>>>>>> Where: Kirk of Bonnie Brae, 1201 S. Steele Street, Denver, CO 80210
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The purpose of Social Forum is to organize, educate and empower people
>>>>>>> on critical issues; sharing knowledge; and teaching skills to build
>>>>>>> alternative and sustainable systems that better meet our human needs.
>>>>>>> Through the Social Forum model, individuals reflect on their own
>>>>>>> purpose and how to make a difference, and hopefully we can create the
>>>>>>> consciousness that we have the knowledge and skills and the power to
>>>>>>> create the change we desire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Workshops: 9am to 12:30pm
>>>>>>> Worker Cooperatives � This workshop will discuss the Worker
>>>>>>> Cooperatives (employee-ownership model) which are business entities
>>>>>>> that are owned and operated by their employees. It creates a
>>>>>>> sustainable economy, stable, and non-competitive jobs that can�t be
>>>>>>> sold out, and that build community. Bill Kirton & Dick Peterson
>>>>>>> http://www.rmeoc.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alternative Currency � In this workshop, we will explore Denver�s
>>>>>>> brand new local currency.  This becomes a self-financing revolution to
>>>>>>> create a bottom-up economy with self-sufficiency, and self-government.
>>>>>>> No waiting, voting, or asking permission from the corrupt.  You can
>>>>>>> learn how you can benefit from Hours as an individual, or business. We
>>>>>>> have set up 5 local, currency systems in 8 months. Each can trade with
>>>>>>> one another, and none support big-box stores. �The People are the
>>>>>>> gold, and can create a more abundant future immediately!� Wayne
>>>>>>> Walton  http://www.milehighhours.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Money, Public Banking, and Global Transformation �
>>>>>>> In this workshop, we will examine the following: Money is ubiquitous,
>>>>>>> but few people understand what it really is and how control over its
>>>>>>> creation and availability affects global, local, and individual
>>>>>>> conditions. Clarity, regarding what money is, enables us to transform
>>>>>>> the monetary system so that it serves people, rather than the other
>>>>>>> way around, which is currently the case. The transformation process
>>>>>>> requires, at a minimum, three initiatives: public banking; verifiable
>>>>>>> voting and public-only campaign financing; and decentralized media
>>>>>>> ownership. Robert Bows  http://publicbankinginstitute.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Open Forum: 12:30pm
>>>>>>> Time to brainstorm and choose the next step for our community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please bring a healthy dish to share, if unable, please come anyway
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We ask that the government undertake the obligation
>>>>>> above all of providing citizens with adequate
>>>>>> opportunity for employment and earning a living.
>>>>>> The activities of the individual must not be allowed
>>>>>> to clash with the interests of the community, but must
>>>>>> take place within its confines and be for the good of
>>>>>> all. Therefore, we demand: an end to the power of the
>>>>>> financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big
>>>>>> business. We demand a broad extension of care for the
>>>>>> aged. We demand... the greatest possible consideration
>>>>>> of small business in the purchases of national, state,
>>>>>> and municipal governments. In order to make possible
>>>>>> to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment
>>>>>> of higher education and thus the achievement of a post
>>>>>> of leadership, the government must provide an all-
>>>>>> around enlargement of our entire system of public
>>>>>> education... We demand the education at government
>>>>>> expense of gifted children of poor parents... The
>>>>>> government must undertake the improvement of public
>>>>>> health by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting
>>>>>> child labor... by the greatest possible support for
>>>>>> all clubs concerned with the physical education of
>>>>>> youth. We combat the... materialistic spirit within
>>>>>> and without us, and are convinced that a permanent
>>>>>> recovery of our people can only proceed from within
>>>>>> on the foundation of the common good before the
>>>>>> individual good."
>>>>>
>>>>> Woops, forgot to add the attribution:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Nazi Party policy statement, Munich, February 1920.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds a whole lot like the nonsense the Sidewalk Shitters
>>>>> spew, doesn't it?  ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Lord Valve
>>>>> unHippie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Word for word almost...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Protests are useless against governments.  Governments always win,
>>> and protestors always fail.  There is no fighting against city hall.
>>> Anyone who thinks otherwise is putting themselves into harm's way.
>>> Government would just as soon kill you as look at you.  And that is
>>> because government can do anything they want, at any time they want,
>>> with impunity.  Government isn't accountable to anyone.  Government
>>> is what religious fanatics call "God."
>>>
>>> Protest movements of any variety, or those pursuing any cause, are
>>> born of a cult following.  Some charismatic leader comes along and,
>>> through cleverly-crafted lies and deceit of the most insidious and
>>> subtle sort, convinces unwary and inexperienced humans within his,
>>> her, or their, confidence that beneficial change is possible without
>>> wholesale genocidal bloodshed and pandemic tragedy killing and ruining
>>> everyone and everything in their path, -- and then some, --provoking
>>> ten-fold retaliation if not vastly more, e.g., Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>> Rarely does evil die quietly or go gently into that good night.  Take
>>> one evildoer out and there will be a thousand more to take his place.
>>> Evil always wins.  Kindness, gentleness, honesty, generosity, good
>>> will, has always been a losing proposition against evildoers.
>>>
>>> The enemy cannot be defeated one by one nor several by several.  It
>>> is only through self-sacrifice and the most lethal methods available,
>>> say cutting-edge, totally scientific state of the art germ warfare,
>>> that the enemy can be utterly and thoroughly destroyed.  Short of that,
>>> these young and foolish protesters are merely wasting not only their
>>> own time, but also the time of government agents whom are tasked with
>>> co-opting, subduing and frustrating such feeble attempts at attacking
>>> the unassailable, indomitable, forces of evil which rule this world.
>>>
>>> Evil has always prevailed.  Anyone who fights against it will become
>>> disappointed and disillusioned.  Best thing to do is avoid interaction
>>> with evil like you'd avoid the plague.
>>>
>> A depressing but still realistic read on things.
>
> There are a lot of good things about this world, but government,
> religion, and their bastard child money, just don't happen to be one
> of them.
>

You just described the unholy trinity, and the fuel for each - power.