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Re: The assault on the teaching of evolution:

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From: Daniel Packman
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:28
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In article <hgWzd.1613562$SM5.130726@news.easynews.com>,
Sam Stone  <sirian@mental.org> wrote:
>Daniel Packman wrote:

 ......
>> There is no scientific requirement to have either "an excuse"
>> or "an accident". Intent is not a scientific concept. 

>Do tell?

>So in studying ecosystems one would not weigh the "intent" of humans in 
>their actions upon the environment?

Perhaps you could flesh out your example. If a ship goes aground
and spills millions of gallons of oil, the environment is damaged
no matter the intent of the captain.

>> Dealing
>> with natural laws is the realm of science.

.....
>So we can disabuse the eco-weenies of any scientific halo and instead 
>render judgment on their platforms based solely on "religious"  or 
>"philosophical" tenets?

Again, you need to flesh out your point here.

>Goodness, I see a glimmer of hope for drilling ANWR on the horizon.

The science should unambiguously tell us the consequences of such
actions subject to uncertainties with respect to how such drilling
were to be executed. It can tell us how much oil per year can be
recovered and how this relates to global production. It cannot tell
us how much we value different outcomes.

-- 
Daniel Packman
NCAR/ACD
pack@ucar.edu
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Subject: Re: The assault on the teaching of evolution:
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:28:03 +0000 (UTC)
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