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Daniel Packman wrote:
> In article <Ez2Ad.7574946$6p.1192276@news.easynews.com>,
> Sam Stone  <sirian@mental.org> wrote:
> 
>>Daniel Packman wrote:
>>
>>>In article <8iWzd.5451944$yk.828293@news.easynews.com>,
>>>Sam Stone  <sirian@mental.org> wrote:
>>>.......
>>>
>>>>http://www.sitchin.com/genetics.htm
> 
> ...... 
> 
>>>I have spent some time reading through some of this idiot's crap.
> 
> 
>>Lol, this "idiot" who can translatre from Sumerian and is an 
>>acknowledged expert in his field...do tell...
> 
> 
> Not clear what his field is or who acknowledges him an expert
> at anything. 

http://www.oasistv.com/screeningroom/chronicles-sitchin.asp

Zecharia Sitchin was born in Russia and raised in Palestine, where he 
acquired knowledge of modern and ancient Hebrew and other Semitic and 
European languages, the Old Testament, and the history and archeology of 
the Near East. He graduated from the University of London, majoring in 
Economic History, having attended the London School of Economics and 
Political Science. He is a member of the American Association for the 
Advancement of Science, the American Oriental Society, the Middle East 
Studies Association of North America, and the Israel Exploration Society.

> He seems to have a degree in economic history, not
> advanced degrees in astrophyics. 

So?

His posit of Niburu's path  may or may not be confirmed by Sedna, yet it 
stands apart from the pure examination of genetic engineering and design.

His conclusions need not be viewed monolithically.

> Do you have graduate degrees
> in astrophysics that allow *you* to evaluate his theories to
> the extent I have?

Would a degree in astrophysics render you credible in translating Sumerian?

Would it equip you to examine the potential genetic engineering this 
species may have been subject to?

Would it lend prespective to interpreting ancient cultures?

> http://skepdic.com/sitchin.html
> http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk/siren.html
> http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

Oh what a surpise, a raft of naysayers!

> ....
> 
>>And I'm sure your "scientific" antipathy extends to Graham Hancock, Eric 
>>Von Daniken, et. al...
> 
> 
> Yes indeed.

Of course.

The predictable credentials pissing match, a firmly closed mind, and 
apparently little historical curiosity - all hallmarks of the 
Randi-grade "Scientist".


http://www.think-aboutit.com/Misc/visitors_from_beyond.htm

In the nearly 20 years since The 12th Planet first appeared, Sitchin has 
seen a considerable change in attitudes toward his work. Still, unlike 
von Dannikin and others, Sitchin's study has not been lambasted by other 
scientists, a fact which he attributes to the soundness of his research. 
The only difference between me and the scientific community, I'm talking 
about Asyriologists, Sumeriaologists, etc., is that they refer to all 
these texts which I read (literally) as mythology. Today, he says many 
researchers have come to follow his line of reasoning. By his latest 
reckoning, there are nearly thirty books by other writers which have 
been spawned by his writings.

While Sitchin's facts may be beyond challenge, many of his conclusions 
are another matter, even among today's most avant garde thinkers. Mars 
researcher Richard Hoagland complains that Sitchin is trying to treat 
the Sumerian cuneiform text like some kind of ancient New York Times, 
while others, like symbolist scholar John Anthony West, believe 
subtleties in the high wisdom of the ancients have completely eluded 
Sitchin. For those, his views are essentially simplistic and 
materialistic. He is a mechanistic reductionist and a throwback to 19th 
century positivism. Still others are reminded of the efforts of 
fundamentalist preachers to pin the mystical visions of Saint John the 
Revelator on specific historical personages (i.e., Napoleon or Hitler or 
Saddam Hussein as the anti-Christ, etc.).

Sitchin though remains unrepentent, with little use for what he calls 
the established view, which he says is that the texts deal with 
mythology and that it all is imagination, and, whether metaphor or not, 
that these things never happened. Someone just imagined them. In 
contrast, he has no doubt that these things really happened.

The argument that the Sumerian and Egyptian civilizations got their 
impetus from extraterrestrials, however, does not rule out the notion 
that there could have been earlier and perhaps even more advanced 
civilizations on Earth. There's no denial of that, he says, citing 
Sumerian and Assyrian writings. Ashurbanipal, for instance, said he 
could read writing from before the flood, and describes cities and 
civilizations that existed before the deluge, but which were wiped out 
by it. So on any question of whether there could have been an earlier 
civilization before the Sumerians or even before the flood, which 
Sitchin places at seven- to eight-thousand years prior, the answer is 
absolutely yes.