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Chuck Wright wrote:

> Andy Collier wrote:
> >
> > In article <35C9EA6B.192C3AC5@ibm.net>, cawrigh@ibm.net says...
> > > James, Dave G wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Chuck - do you somehow feel that, if the election results in a new
> > > > stadium, that somehow the public has been _forced_ to pay for it?
> > > > Explain this to me, please.
> > >
> > > If it passes, everyone who votes for the stadium will be compelling
> > > everyone else who either voted against the stadium, didn't vote, or
> > > who couldn't vote to pay for the stadium without their permission.
> > >
> > > Last time I checked, taxes are not optional.
> >
> > Umm this is called Democracy my friend - majority rules when it comes to
> > passing laws of this sort
>
> No, it's called tyranny of the majority.  It's two wolves and
> a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

Gilligan little buddy, did you here that?

> Here's a list of some of the wonders of majority rule:
>
> 1.  The majority of people in Salem Massachusetts at one
> time approved of burning alive at the stake innocent people
> accused of being witches.

Luvvy and I never supported that, did we dear?

> 2. Until the late 1950s and early 1960s, the majority in many
> southern states favored laws that forced segregation of blacks.
>
> 3.  From the founding of the US until a dozen or so years before
> the Civil War, the majority of Americans supported slavery
> laws.
>
> 4.  The majority of Americans supported country's westward
> expansion and the crushing blows dealt to the American
> Indians.

humor aside - this is an accurate laundry list of sins.

> > (You want a one person veto of every law?  Then
> > forget about having any laws - go live as a hermit if you want everything
> > your way).
>
> No, I don't want one person veto.  I don't want to veto the private
> decisions of individuals to voluntarily pay for a new stadium.  I
> don't want unjust laws.  A law that compels people to pay for
> a Broncos stadium is unjust.  It is unjust because a new
> stadium is something that could easily be handled by the
> private sector, and thus there can be no justification for
> using force to get what you want.

Skipper, Skipper, can we build a new boat, huh, can we.

No, little buddy, the taxpayers turned us down!

> > Republican Democracy  - best of a bad lot as the sayings go
> > (majority rules, tempered by retaining fundamental rights at the level of
> > the individual).
>
> And how are individual rights advanced by flogging your
> neighbors for the frivolous purpose of providing corporate
> welfare for building the Bowlen Bowl?

Harder Luvvy, harder!

Oh Thurston, you're such a capitalist aren't you?

> > I pay for roads that I dont use, public transit that I
> > dont take (RTD), schools my child doesn't attend, and "cultural
> > facilities" that I dont use.  I pay lots of taxes I dont like ($40K a
> > year to the federal government alone) that float a lot of programs I dont
> > like or need.
>
> Sounds like you pay for a lot for things you don't use.  What a
> silly system.  Why not have a system where you pay porportional
> to how much you use.  I think we're close to that mark with
> roads where the more you dive the more you pay in gasoline tax.
> There probably needs to be some tweaking though so that truckers
> pay for the damage they do to roads.

Little buddy, we haven't used that canon have we?

No Skipper.

Make a dandy planter wouldn't it then?

Aye Aye skipper!

> > But the laws are the laws - and if you elect to live in an
> > area, you also abide by its law.  Dont like it?  Then move out of the
> > stadium district - or work to eliminate the laws you think are unjust and
> > improper.  My opinion - its a small enough chunk compared to others - and
> > the loss of the team would hurt more than the losses incurred keeping the
> > team.
>
> There's the old tired love it or leave it argument throwing up a
> smoke screen to hide injustice.  I seam to recall this same tactic
> was used to defend the unjust Korean and Vietnam wars.  Sorry Andy,
> your smoke screen is transparent.

Skipper, will anyone ever find us?

I don't know little buddy. Just keep putting wood on the fire.

> I am trying to stop an unjust law to provide corporate welfare for
> the Bowlen Bowl.

Oh professsorrr.....

Yes Ginger, what's on your mind?

> $400 million may be chump change to you, but to me that's a boat
> load of money.  That's enough money to build 26 schools at $15
> million each.   It's enough money to buy 16,000 acres of
> open space at $25,000/acare.  It's enough to buy 4,000 homes for
> homeless people at $100,000/each.  You are a cold hearted son of
> a bitch for prioritizing the Bowlen Bowl ahead of these things
> for our scarce tax dollars.

Oh Thurston, I love it when you talk dollars!

Yes Luvvy, now where's my Martuni?

> Chuck Wright
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