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Chuck Wright wrote:

> Chris wrote:
> >
> > Chuck Wright wrote:
> >
> > > James, Dave G wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Chuck - do you somehow feel that, if the election results in a new
> > > > stadium, that somehow the public has been _forced_ to pay for it?
> > > > Explain this to me, please.
> > >
> > > If it passes, everyone who votes for the stadium will be compelling
> > > everyone else who either voted against the stadium, didn't vote, or
> > > who couldn't vote to pay for the stadium without their permission.
> > >
> > > Last time I checked, taxes are not optional.
> > >
> >
> > Isn't that what your party is trying to achieve?
>
> We're not trying to make taxes optional.  Limited government with
> limited power, and with no power to run roughshod over peaceful
> peoples lives is what we're trying to achieve.

And that is a real feel-good kind of sales pitch. Now on to the numbers...

> At the federal level we favor just enough taxes to defend the
> country (which does not equal being the policeman of the world
> or placing troops in over 100 foreign countries), settle disputes
> between the states, negotiate treaties with foreign countries, run
> the federal court system, and not much else (which equals getting
> rid of the federal welfare for corporations, politicians, and
> individuals).

And the "user fee" financed armed forces you offered a few months back?

Hey, I'm ready to invade Boulder - Pearl St. Mall watch out!

> If the federal government stuck to just these things, we could
> end the federal income tax and fund the federal government with
> only the existing tariffs and existing excise.

And if the world just played by *our* rules we'd all be fine. No oil crises,
no IRA, no terrorists, no Saddam - getting the wakeup call yet?

> A totally optional tax system would be nice, and might even
> be particle and possible,

Allow me to interject with a real world lesson in libertarianism. And  TRUE
story as well.

I live in a mountain subdivision where we have covenants, a homeowner's
association, and annual dues. They are minimal
( less than $50 a year).

Currently, as in any year, less than 40% of the residents pay said dues.

Why, you ask.

They are optional!

Yes, we're mavericks. All 500 of us.

But worse than that - we're cheap, self serving humans with little regard
for our own rules.

Oh, we have the usual problems, junk cars in the drives, bright pink houses,
all number of covenant violations. But we have no money to enforce such, and
no support to raise such. Less than 40% of us care enough to do the very
thing we signed on to do in our closing papers - PAY THE DUES!

> but it's not what were trying to
> achieve.

Well, see what you'll get.

> Chuck Wright
> http://www.lp.org/

There is one other neighborhood up here with a similar situation. All true
story. Results - those who care finance those who don't.

We who have some responsibility pull and spray the weeds, maintain the
entrance signs, run neighborhood watch, mail the newsletter, etc.

The other 60%  sit in their chairs and do ****!

Now that is Libertarianism in action.

ON TO VOUCHERS! My hair is up now....