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> Excerpts from mail: 12-Dec-89 reponse to some comments Mark
> Ahlenius@uunet.UU.N (730)

> You made some interesting points, however I thot i'd comment
> on your last addendum about looking into a persons eyes and
> seeing their feelings.

> I believe what you are interpreting when one does this is really
> the muscle movements about the eye (eye lids, brows, facial muscles, etc)
> You can see tears of sadness (or perhaps joy) or you can see a frown
> or stern look, but if you could isolate just the eyeball separate 
> from the rest of the head - I don't believe that you could see
> anything else.
>      --> My point was: Even feelings have an associated eye movement
> which could be                 unique . That is why probably, we can
> look at a person's eyes and more or less estimate his feelings. Facial
> muscle movements could also be present. When one is afraid, for example,
> the eyes move rapidly and randomly as if searching for an escape. No
> doubt, other organs may also be involved. But during visualisation it is
> the eye which is predominantly active. Another example: when person is
> thinking deeply his eye movements are characteristic. Have you heard of
> this thumbrule: When trying to find out whether a newly born child is
> mentally sound, doctors look at its eye movements. These suggests that
> eye movement can also indicate a person's mental state. <--

> Also on visualization, is it just remembering, reliving, or conceptualizing?

>       -->  Visualization is neither of these. As I pointed (I'm sorry if
> my article was little kind of jumbled) out, visualization is partial
> reliving, in the sense that , the eyes are predominantly active.
> Remembering is just retrieval of stored data from the memory. However,
> remembering may sometimes involve visualising. Example: Consider that
> you are trying to recall someone's phone number. Sometimes, you are able
> to recall it spontaneously. If you can't then you may try to recall some
> situation ,perhaps the event in which that person gave you the phone
> number, etc., and try to recall the no. The former is just remembering
> and the latter *involves* visualisation also. If you're still not
> convinced try to do the above , but while watching your eye movements.
> While doing the latter you may find that your eyes move rather rapidly
> trying to visualise or rather simulate the exact surroundings in which
> the original event took place.<--

> It all relates to the mysterious minds eye, doesnt it?  When I say
> the word elephant - try not to think of a picture of an elephant -
> its not possible.
>      --> This is exactly what I was also trying to convey. Apart from
> contexts involving logic  or reason , we always retreive a picture of
> the object. But, obviously it cannot be a picture in the real sense. My
> claim was that we retrieve the associated EYE  MOVEMENTS to visualise
> the object. Also note that you can never think  of an object. You can
> only think *about* it. <--
         
Sundar Narasimhan.