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Re: Will NeXT survive? Grow with the times?

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From: Gary Bridgewater
Date: Wed, 29 May 1991 01:36
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In article <658@ctycal.UUCP> ingoldsb@ctycal.UUCP (Terry Ingoldsby) writes:

>...  One of the original features
>of RISC technology was the speed with which a design could be created
>and implemented.  Since the implementation technology has to be frozen
>at some point in the design cycle (I presume fairly early on) this
>means that performance of the implementation is inversely proportional
>to the time it took to produce it.  CISC machines take longer than
>RISC machines, so currently available CISC chips necessarily use older
>technology.

CISC system designers work with process designers.  Process designers generally
have some idea where they are going next.  Aggressivly designed CISC (or
RISC, for that matter) will be designed more-or-less in parallel with
the target process.  Pure in-house implementations can be even more
aggressive in that the two can have the end product as their common goal.

So there is no technical reason that a CISC chip released in Quarter X
should be any less "State of the Art" than a RISC chip released in Quarter X
with respect to technology (modulo the FABs).  If the CISC implementation
cycle is longer than the one for RISC then that means the CISC designers
have to peer a bit deeper into their process designers' minds but they can
also adjust to changes as they go.  And, if you watch closely, you will
sometimes see either flavor having a rev 1.0 release at X Mhz followed,
some months later, by an X++ MHz version 1.1 reflecting process and
implementation fine tuning (some do this the other way around - announcing
the X++ version, shipping "early" versions at X and then shipping the X++
version later).
-- 
Gary Bridgewater, Data General Corporation, Sunnyvale California
gary@sv.dg.com or {amdahl,aeras,amdcad}!dgcad!gary
"I am a pizza.  I am a pizza.  ..."
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From: gary@proa.sv.dg.com (Gary Bridgewater)
Newsgroups: comp.arch
Subject: Re: Will NeXT survive?  Grow with the times?
Keywords: More questions on RISC vs. CISC
Message-ID: <1991May29.013636.16696@proa.sv.dg.com>
Date: 29 May 91 01:36:36 GMT
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