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Mike Stump wrote:
> 
> In article <3A552D46.B20BCEA9@dvv.org>, Dima Volodin  <dvv@dvv.org> wrote:
> >Mike Stump wrote:
> >_Complex_ environment? You must be kidding me. Systems like that are not
> >some kind of thermodynamic system, and there are people involved who are
> >assumed to be capable of talking to each other. Alas, ORBS doesn't seem
> >to be maintained by people like that, and that's why MHO is that any
> >reasonable sysadmin should _not_ use ORBS to control the flow of e-mail
> >to his/her systems.
> 
> This is your opinion, it seems to you to be maintained one way, due to
> the coloring you place on it.

Coloring? What are you talking about? I was a party in a three-way
exchange whose other two parties were RR and ORBS reps, so I do know a
thing or two about what's been going on with ORBS in general and
vis-a-vis RR in particular.

>  The reality is that almost all that
> happens on the ORBS list is done by a computer running a program that
> is relatively fixed and unchanging.

When was the last time you visited www.orbs.org? In particular, the next
to the last paragraph at http://www.orbs.org/database.html and
http://www.orbs.org/hallofshame.html to which that paragraph refers?

One thing I find particularly ironic is on the latter page - while
maintaining that ORBS use is strictly voluntary, the ORBS maintainer
seems to be really pissed off by MAPS's usage of BGP, and fails to see
that it's the same basic principle - "if you don't want it, you don't
use it". And even tries to use legalese in that regard.

>  If we were intensely curious, we
> could even ask them to open source the code, so that we may see how it
> works, exactly.

Huh? The automatic part of the whole thing can be hacked by me or even
you in two or three hours tops. Including breaks for trips to the fridge
or wherever you keep your beer, and it's not really complex or even
interesting.

> Feel free to contradict my beliefs with facts, I'm still waiting.

Why wait? Why don't you just go and check web pages at the very obvious
address - http://www.orbs.org? Do you really need me to do it?


Dima