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Article #481Re: cable guy "vapor"-izes DSL 3X cable TV troll!
From: Larry Jones
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:41
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:41
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John Navas (spamfilter@navasgrp.dublin.ca.us) wrote: > > In <95sflb$8at@nfs0.sdrc.com>, scjones@thor.sdrc.com (Larry Jones) > wrote: > > > >I think you're being unduely pessimistic (or do you know something I > >don't?). You seem to be assuming that the CMTS will allocate upstream > >minislots on a first-come first-served basis, but if I were writing the > >code, I'd certainly use a priority-based scheme where small requests > >take precedence over large requests. > > I think that would take (1) special code in the modem or (2) quite a bit > of FIFO buffering in the CMTS. Why? The modem already has to know how many minislots to request in order to send the data that it has pending, and the CMTS has to buffer requests for upstream bandwidth until such time as they can be satisfied. All that's required is to make that buffer a priority queue that sorts the requests by number of minislots rather than a pure FIFO. > I see no evidence of either, either in > the specs or in the available implementations. (The CMTS doesn't know > whether the modem wants to send an ACK or a data packet; for that > matter, the modem doesn't know either.) More to the point, real world > behavior works as I've described. The point is that ACKs are (usually) small, data packets are (usually) big, and any constant stream of upstream data that would saturate the link will, assuming a reasonable amount of buffering the CM, cause the CM to be requesting a large number of minislots for upstream data. Since the CMTS already has to allocate the upstream bandwidth and deal with oversubscription, it seems like this would be an obvious way to keep "bandwidth hogs" from screwing everyone's performance. If the real world doesn't work that way, I wonder why not. -Larry Jones I don't think math is a science, I think it's a religion. -- Calvin
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f5dc1,916316de6f72ceb X-Google-Attributes: gidf5dc1,public X-Google-Thread: 113850,916316de6f72ceb X-Google-Attributes: gid113850,public X-Google-Thread: 1122a6,2145df83169cbbc6 X-Google-Attributes: gid1122a6,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-02-12 15:06:43 PST From: scjones@thor.sdrc.com (Larry Jones) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems.cable,bellsouth.net.support.adsl,comp.dcom.xdsl Subject: Re: cable guy "vapor"-izes DSL 3X cable TV troll! Followup-To: comp.dcom.modems.cable,bellsouth.net.support.adsl,comp.dcom.xdsl Date: 12 Feb 2001 22:41:53 GMT Organization: SDRC Integration Services Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-ID: <969orh$4gv@nfs0.sdrc.com> References: <20010116192016044.AAA95@adsl-209-204-185-87.sonic.net@john.navasgroup.com> <3A64B680.2A79F24D@erols.com> <3A76B6CA.73B36B26@mynetwatchman.com> <4OGd6.100$mW6.5202@typhoon.sonic.net> <3A776B57.C495242C@mynetwatchman.com> <R3Ld6.144$mW6.6010@typhoon.sonic.net> <3A782325.2538A5E2@mynetwatchman.com> <diEe6.142$Tf1.5347@typhoon.sonic.net> <3A7B357B.3C2C1C79@ufl.edu> <3A7C2957.6083F801@mynetwatchman.com> <ReZe6.210$Tf1.9209@typhoon.sonic.net> <95sflb$8at@nfs0.sdrc.com> <OUjg6.21$S25.1432@typhoon.son Reply-To: larry.jones@sdrc.com NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.sdrc.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!den-news-02.qwest.net!newsfeed.fuse.net!sdrc.com!thor.sdrc.com!scjones