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Bob Rigel <BOBRIGEL@HOME.COM> writes:

>From: Bob Rigel <BOBRIGEL@HOME.COM>
>Organization: @Home Network
>Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems.cable, alt.games.quake3,
>            cableinet.cable_modems, cableinet.games.quake,
>            alt.comp.hardware.overclocking
>Subject: Re: TO ALL WHO USE BROADBAND ROUTERS...
>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:51:45 GMT
>
>The Netgear website states "There are well-known incompatibilities
>between NAT and certain onlines games and videoconferencing applications" 
>in the FAQ area.  This limits you to one machine behind the router (if 
>any at all work) that can play the game at a time (after making 
>configuration changes).  I believe this is a result of using NAT and 
>the game site requiring specific ports on eachsystem.
>
>Sorry, but I believe that ANY router that uses NAT will have the same
>problem.
>
>Bob
>
>
>MaD HaTTeR wrote:
>> 
>> I bought the Linksys Broadband router because it had a built in switch and
>> seemed like the best value.  I haven't had any connection problems with it
>> yet so technically I chose the right one right?.... WRONG.  One of the
>> biggest reasons I bought this router was so that I could hook up multiple
>> pc's on my lan to a game of Quake 3 all on the same internet server.  But it
>> won't let me!  Only one computer can get through and the others can't even
>> PING the server or have it come up on the server list.
>> 
>> I can connect multiple pc's each on a different quake 3 server just fine.  I
>> can even connect 2 instances of Quake 3 games (windowed) on 1 pc into 1
>> internet server (weird huh?).  So why can't multiple pc's get on 1 server???
>> I have tried for weeks to get this working and finally gave up and so the
>> only way for my lan to play vs the internet is to setup a server of my own
>> on the lan.
>> 
>> I'm now thinking about trying the Netgear RT311 router.  Does anyone have
>> any experience with this with Quake 3???  Can you please tell me if this
>> router (or any others) will allow my lan to connect to 1 internet server??
>> 
>> BTW, Before I got the router, I was running SyGate on my main pc to share
>> the cable modem.  This worked great w/ quake 3 even!  So there has to be a
>> way.
>> I wrote Linksys' useless tech support and the reply i got was: "It will not
>> work with this game"
>> 
>> That's it!  Please help.
>> 
>> Thanks


Bob is correct about multiple instances of client applications which require 
the use of specific port numbers.  Your NAT router has one IP, and hence only 
on Port Number X on that IP.

However, as MaD HaTTeR insightfully notes, Quake allows him to open a second 
game window on a machine behind the NAT router which is already running one 
instance of Quake.  This is because:

   When selecting a port, Q2 will choose one based on the role of the 
   machine.  However, this can be overridden by user commands.   Also, if 
   there are two clients on the same machine, then the second client will 
   have a port assigned to it by the OS because the default is being used 
   by the first client.  
                        Role         Port Number
                       ------       -------------
                       Client          27901
                       Server          27910
                       Master          27900

[Note: The above information comes from Darrin Cullop's Quake Technical Web 
page at http://www.optics.arizona.edu/Pandora/q2/connect.asp ]

I have never played with Quake, but I am aware that, because it is a common 
and highly popular game, many NAT routers come with Quake port mappings 
already set up.

MaD HaTTeR may be able to work around his problem of multiple machines by 
conguring the Quake clients on Machine 2 and 3 for alternate ports and then 
adding the appropriate port mappings to his NAT router software.

Please note that I am *NOT* a Quake player and just researched this because 
of an interest in NAT applications.  Although Darrin Cullop states that 
Quake's default port assignments "can be overridden by user commands", I'll 
have to leave it up to the Quake players to figure out how to do this and 
how to set up their specific NAT router port mappings accordingly.

Please don't ask me any questions: this is all I know about this subject.

Cheers,
The Old Bear