🚀 go-pugleaf

   Yep

On May 9, 10:14 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org>
wrote in http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/0e0c01ece9b726d6?hl=en
:

> On Sat, 9 May 2009 21:57:48 -0700 (PDT), GreenXenon
>
> <glucege...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >Hi:
>
> >Does a device that switches frequency [in number of Hz] with peak-to-
> >peak amplitude [in number of in electron(s)-per-second-per-square-
> >meter] – and visa versa -- exist? If not, is it possible to construct
> >one?
>
> >In this device, the input of a signal that has a frequency of X Hz and
> >a peak-to-peak amplitude of Y electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter
> >will result in the output of a signal that has a frequency of Y Hz and
> >a peak-to-peak amplitude of X electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter.
>
> >Thanks
>

>  Come back when you finally get the right terms down.

Where are the terms wrong?

On May 9, 10:40 pm, Mark Harriss <bi...@blartco.co.uk> wrote:

>    Yep

"Yep" to what?

"GreenXenon" <glucegen1x@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:43e821fe-784d-4ed3-8e86-bb1afcdec36f@r31g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Hi:

>Does a device that switches frequency [in number of Hz] with peak-to-
>peak amplitude [in number of in electron(s)-per-second-per-square-
>meter] � and visa versa -- exist? If not, is it possible to construct
>one?
>
>In this device, the input of a signal that has a frequency of X Hz and
>a peak-to-peak amplitude of Y electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter
>will result in the output of a signal that has a frequency of Y Hz and
>a peak-to-peak amplitude of X electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter.


Not enough info. You will have to explain what the output media is ? Coper 
wire? Air? Water? Constant area or variable? What frequency range? Audio? 
Radar? 

Cwatters wrote:
> 
> Not enough info. You will have to explain what the output media is ? Coper 
> wire? Air? Water? Constant area or variable? What frequency range? Audio? 
> Radar? 
> 
> 

   It's obviously a raygun.

"GreenXenon" <glucegen1x@gmail.com
> wrote in message
news:6acd9b7e-679c-4bba-91db-47f728baadbb@v35g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 10:40 pm, Mark Harriss <bi...@blartco.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >    Yep
>
> "Yep" to what?

You being a completely moronic troll.

MrT.

As to your question, I should think the problem would be how to measure 
electrons. I searched google.com for the words...

measuring electrons

And came up with some interesting things. Might want to try that.

As to the negative replies, I suggest you try asking your question on 
individual groups instead of posting to 5 groups with the same post. Then 
you can see which groups offer constructive suggestions and which do not. 
Then ask your future questions on the more positive groups.

Also you can search for the word forum along with a general topic word like 
electronics and find some interesting discussion groups.


"GreenXenon"  wrote in message
Hi:

Does a device that switches frequency [in number of Hz] with peak-to-
peak amplitude [in number of in electron(s)-per-second-per-square-
meter] � and visa versa -- exist? If not, is it possible to construct
one?

In this device, the input of a signal that has a frequency of X Hz and
a peak-to-peak amplitude of Y electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter
will result in the output of a signal that has a frequency of Y Hz and
a peak-to-peak amplitude of X electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter.


Thanks 

On May 10, 9:06 am, Stuart <Spam...@argonet.co.uk> wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.engineering.electrical/msg/977409bf5d65aa1e?hl=en
:

> In article
> <43e821fe-784d-4ed3-8e86-bb1afcdec...@r31g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>    GreenXenon <glucege...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > Hi:
> > Does a device that switches frequency [in number of Hz] with peak-to-
> > peak amplitude [in number of in electron(s)-per-second-per-square-
> > meter] " and visa versa -- exist? If not, is it possible to construct
> > one?
> > In this device, the input of a signal that has a frequency of X Hz and
> > a peak-to-peak amplitude of Y electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter
> > will result in the output of a signal that has a frequency of Y Hz and
> > a peak-to-peak amplitude of X electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter.

>
> Most things can be accomplished if we knew what the hell you were talking
> about. Frequency changing can be done, yes, but what the rest of your post
> is about is anybody's guess.

In an electronic signal, amplitude measure the amount of electron[s]-
per-second-per-square-meter. More electron[s]-per-second-per-square-
meter means more amplitude.

"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
news:76o741F1e6mh9U1@mid.individual.net...
> As to your question, I should think the problem would be how to measure 
> electrons.

Perhaps you could just measure the power and ground current. The difference 
is the output current.

On Sat, 09 May 2009 22:42:54 -0700, GreenXenon wrote:


>>  Come back when you finally get the right terms down.
> 
> Where are the terms wrong?

Let me see, you cross post to a number of unrelated groups and ask a 
question that involves animal, vegetable and mineral and 
transmogortification. Either you do not have a clue as to what you want 
or your education is nil or you are a troll.

If you seriously want an answer, correct one of the three and try again 
next year/decade/century.

GreenXenon wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> Does a device that switches frequency [in number of Hz] with peak-to-
> peak amplitude [in number of in electron(s)-per-second-per-square-
> meter] � and visa versa -- exist? If not, is it possible to construct
> one?
> 
> In this device, the input of a signal that has a frequency of X Hz and
> a peak-to-peak amplitude of Y electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter
> will result in the output of a signal that has a frequency of Y Hz and
> a peak-to-peak amplitude of X electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter.

The question is based on a completely erroneous assumption. Electrons 
per second per square meter is a current density, if an electron's 
charge is accounted for. In electronics, it is usually current, not 
current density, that matters.

The OP typically asks abstruse questions that, on analysis, are only 
approximately meaningful. I can imagine that he was praised as a child 
for asking what the adults around him thought were deep questions, and 
that he has essentially retarded himself deliberately in an attempt to 
relive the days of easy praise. There's a line in Gilbert and Sullivan's 
/Patience/: "If this young man expresses himself in terms too deep for 
me, Why, what a very singularly deep young man this deep young man must 
be!" Poor young man!

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
�����������������������������������������������������������������������

On May 10, 5:53 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:

> GreenXenon wrote:

> > Hi:
>
> > Does a device that switches frequency [in number of Hz] with peak-to-
> > peak amplitude [in number of in electron(s)-per-second-per-square-
> > meter] – and visa versa -- exist? If not, is it possible to construct
> > one?
>
> > In this device, the input of a signal that has a frequency of X Hz and
> > a peak-to-peak amplitude of Y electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter
> > will result in the output of a signal that has a frequency of Y Hz and
> > a peak-to-peak amplitude of X electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter.
>

> The question is based on a completely erroneous assumption. Electrons
> per second per square meter is a current density, if an electron's
> charge is accounted for. In electronics, it is usually current, not
> current density, that matters.

So the amplitude is determined by the amperage?

GreenXenon wrote:
> On May 10, 5:53 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> 
>> GreenXenon wrote:
> 
>>> Hi:
>>> Does a device that switches frequency [in number of Hz] with peak-to-
>>> peak amplitude [in number of in electron(s)-per-second-per-square-
>>> meter] � and visa versa -- exist? If not, is it possible to construct
>>> one?
>>> In this device, the input of a signal that has a frequency of X Hz and
>>> a peak-to-peak amplitude of Y electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter
>>> will result in the output of a signal that has a frequency of Y Hz and
>>> a peak-to-peak amplitude of X electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter.
> 
>> The question is based on a completely erroneous assumption. Electrons
>> per second per square meter is a current density, if an electron's
>> charge is accounted for. In electronics, it is usually current, not
>> current density, that matters.
> 
> So the amplitude is determined by the amperage?

No. With real signals, amplitude is often taken to be voltage, although 
power is sometimes used (think decibels). With digital signals, 
amplitude is a number interpreted according to some convention or rule.

You do much better at asking questions than at making assumptions.

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
�����������������������������������������������������������������������

On Sun, 10 May 2009 20:53:24 -0400, Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote:

>GreenXenon wrote:
>> Hi:
>> 
>> Does a device that switches frequency [in number of Hz] with peak-to-
>> peak amplitude [in number of in electron(s)-per-second-per-square-
>> meter] � and visa versa -- exist? If not, is it possible to construct
>> one?
>> 
>> In this device, the input of a signal that has a frequency of X Hz and
>> a peak-to-peak amplitude of Y electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter
>> will result in the output of a signal that has a frequency of Y Hz and
>> a peak-to-peak amplitude of X electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter.
>
>The question is based on a completely erroneous assumption. Electrons 
>per second per square meter is a current density, if an electron's 
>charge is accounted for. In electronics, it is usually current, not 
>current density, that matters.
>
>The OP typically asks abstruse questions that, on analysis, are only 
>approximately meaningful. I can imagine that he was praised as a child 
>for asking what the adults around him thought were deep questions, and 
>that he has essentially retarded himself deliberately in an attempt to 
>relive the days of easy praise. There's a line in Gilbert and Sullivan's 
>/Patience/: "If this young man expresses himself in terms too deep for 
>me, Why, what a very singularly deep young man this deep young man must 
>be!" Poor young man!
>
>Jerry


  That's deep.

On Sun, 10 May 2009 19:03:23 -0700 (PDT), GreenXenon
<glucegen1x@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 10, 5:53 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>> GreenXenon wrote:
>
>> > Hi:
>>
>> > Does a device that switches frequency [in number of Hz] with peak-to-
>> > peak amplitude [in number of in electron(s)-per-second-per-square-
>> > meter] � and visa versa -- exist? If not, is it possible to construct
>> > one?
>>
>> > In this device, the input of a signal that has a frequency of X Hz and
>> > a peak-to-peak amplitude of Y electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter
>> > will result in the output of a signal that has a frequency of Y Hz and
>> > a peak-to-peak amplitude of X electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter.
>>
>
>> The question is based on a completely erroneous assumption. Electrons
>> per second per square meter is a current density, if an electron's
>> charge is accounted for. In electronics, it is usually current, not
>> current density, that matters.
>
>So the amplitude is determined by the amperage?


  Amplitude is a pressure.  Current is akin to how much has passed in
what time frame, not how exited )pressured( it was to pass.

On May 10, 7:13 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:

> GreenXenon wrote:

> > On May 10, 5:53 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:

>
> >> GreenXenon wrote:

>
> >>> Hi:
> >>> Does a device that switches frequency [in number of Hz] with peak-to-
> >>> peak amplitude [in number of in electron(s)-per-second-per-square-
> >>> meter] – and visa versa -- exist? If not, is it possible to construct
> >>> one?
> >>> In this device, the input of a signal that has a frequency of X Hz and
> >>> a peak-to-peak amplitude of Y electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter
> >>> will result in the output of a signal that has a frequency of Y Hz and
> >>> a peak-to-peak amplitude of X electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter.
>

> >> The question is based on a completely erroneous assumption. Electrons
> >> per second per square meter is a current density, if an electron's
> >> charge is accounted for. In electronics, it is usually current, not
> >> current density, that matters.
>

> > So the amplitude is determined by the amperage?
>

> No. With real signals, amplitude is often taken to be voltage, although
> power is sometimes used (think decibels).

So in the device I'm thinking of [which I posted in the start of the
thread] the amplitude would be determined by volts? Or would it be in
watts-per-square-meter? Or just watts?

Jerry Avins wrote:
> GreenXenon wrote:
>> Hi:
>>
>> Does a device that switches frequency [in number of Hz] with peak-to-
>> peak amplitude [in number of in electron(s)-per-second-per-square-
>> meter] � and visa versa -- exist? If not, is it possible to construct
>> one?
>>
>> In this device, the input of a signal that has a frequency of X Hz
>> and a peak-to-peak amplitude of Y
>> electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter will result in the output of
>> a signal that has a frequency of Y Hz and a peak-to-peak amplitude
>> of X electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter.
>
> The question is based on a completely erroneous assumption. Electrons
> per second per square meter is a current density, if an electron's
> charge is accounted for. In electronics, it is usually current, not
> current density, that matters.
>
> The OP typically asks abstruse questions that, on analysis, are only
> approximately meaningful. I can imagine that he was praised as a child
> for asking what the adults around him thought were deep questions, and
> that he has essentially retarded himself deliberately in an attempt to
> relive the days of easy praise.

I vaguely remember the OP attempting to explain this some time back. 
Apparently he has some known medical/mental condition that makes him ask 
such questions, and can't or won't comprehend the replies.

Dave.

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David L. Jones wrote:
> Jerry Avins wrote:
>> GreenXenon wrote:
>>> Hi:
>>>
>>> Does a device that switches frequency [in number of Hz] with peak-to-
>>> peak amplitude [in number of in electron(s)-per-second-per-square-
>>> meter] � and visa versa -- exist? If not, is it possible to construct
>>> one?
>>>
>>> In this device, the input of a signal that has a frequency of X Hz
>>> and a peak-to-peak amplitude of Y
>>> electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter will result in the output of
>>> a signal that has a frequency of Y Hz and a peak-to-peak amplitude
>>> of X electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter.
>> The question is based on a completely erroneous assumption. Electrons
>> per second per square meter is a current density, if an electron's
>> charge is accounted for. In electronics, it is usually current, not
>> current density, that matters.
>>
>> The OP typically asks abstruse questions that, on analysis, are only
>> approximately meaningful. I can imagine that he was praised as a child
>> for asking what the adults around him thought were deep questions, and
>> that he has essentially retarded himself deliberately in an attempt to
>> relive the days of easy praise.
> 
> I vaguely remember the OP attempting to explain this some time back. 
> Apparently he has some known medical/mental condition that makes him ask 
> such questions, and can't or won't comprehend the replies.
> 
> Dave.
> 
This silly question has generated an awful lot of discussion

F Murtz wrote:
> David L. Jones wrote:
>> Jerry Avins wrote:
>>> GreenXenon wrote:
>>>> Hi:
>>>>
>>>> Does a device that switches frequency [in number of Hz] with
>>>> peak-to- peak amplitude [in number of in
>>>> electron(s)-per-second-per-square- meter] � and visa versa --
>>>> exist? If not, is it possible to construct one?
>>>>
>>>> In this device, the input of a signal that has a frequency of X Hz
>>>> and a peak-to-peak amplitude of Y
>>>> electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter will result in the output
>>>> of a signal that has a frequency of Y Hz and a peak-to-peak
>>>> amplitude of X electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter.
>>> The question is based on a completely erroneous assumption.
>>> Electrons per second per square meter is a current density, if an
>>> electron's charge is accounted for. In electronics, it is usually
>>> current, not current density, that matters.
>>>
>>> The OP typically asks abstruse questions that, on analysis, are only
>>> approximately meaningful. I can imagine that he was praised as a
>>> child for asking what the adults around him thought were deep
>>> questions, and that he has essentially retarded himself
>>> deliberately in an attempt to relive the days of easy praise.
>>
>> I vaguely remember the OP attempting to explain this some time back.
>> Apparently he has some known medical/mental condition that makes him
>> ask such questions, and can't or won't comprehend the replies.
>>
>> Dave.
>>
> This silly question has generated an awful lot of discussion

That's the OP's intention, and it works nearly every time, people keep 
biting.

Dave.

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> 
> I vaguely remember the OP attempting to explain this some time back. 
> Apparently he has some known medical/mental condition that makes him ask 
> such questions, and can't or won't comprehend the replies.


He pops up here and there in various technical groups under various 
names and has been for years. He is either mentally ill, or just 
trolling, which I suppose also falls under the mentally ill category, 
but either way attempting to answer his questions in any meaningful way 
is futile.

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4a07b219@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> This silly question has generated an awful lot of discussion

That's GreenXenon's only reason for existence isn't it?

MrT.

Mr.T wrote:
> You being a completely moronic troll.
> 
> MrT.
> 
> 

YES!!!!!

GreenXenon wrote:

> On May 10, 7:13 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>>GreenXenon wrote:
> 
> 
>>>On May 10, 5:53 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>GreenXenon wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>>Hi:
>>>>>Does a device that switches frequency [in number of Hz] with peak-to-
>>>>>peak amplitude [in number of in electron(s)-per-second-per-square-
>>>>>meter] � and visa versa -- exist? If not, is it possible to construct
>>>>>one?
>>>>>In this device, the input of a signal that has a frequency of X Hz and
>>>>>a peak-to-peak amplitude of Y electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter
>>>>>will result in the output of a signal that has a frequency of Y Hz and
>>>>>a peak-to-peak amplitude of X electron[s]-per-second-per-square-meter.
>>
> 
>>>>The question is based on a completely erroneous assumption. Electrons
>>>>per second per square meter is a current density, if an electron's
>>>>charge is accounted for. In electronics, it is usually current, not
>>>>current density, that matters.
>>
> 
>>>So the amplitude is determined by the amperage?
>>
> 
>>No. With real signals, amplitude is often taken to be voltage, although
>>power is sometimes used (think decibels).
> 
> 
> So in the device I'm thinking of [which I posted in the start of the
> thread] the amplitude would be determined by volts? Or would it be in
> watts-per-square-meter? Or just watts?

1. Answer to 1st paragraph of original post is transducer.
    As to 1st transducer you grew up with your eyes glued to it. Jerry
    probably didn't see one until his teens, unless hes went to 1939
    World's Fair.

2. Answer to this post's question - Which do you wish to measure?

Richard Owlett wrote:

   ...

> 1. Answer to 1st paragraph of original post is transducer.
>    As to 1st transducer you grew up with your eyes glued to it. Jerry
>    probably didn't see one until his teens, unless hes went to 1939
>    World's Fair.

I saw myself on television at the 1939 Worlds Fair. A microphone is a 
transducer, so are headphones and loudspeakers. believe it or not, there 
were telephones before I was born. :-)

   ...

Jerry
-- 
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James Sweet wrote:
> 
>>
>> I vaguely remember the OP attempting to explain this some time back. 
>> Apparently he has some known medical/mental condition that makes him 
>> ask such questions, and can't or won't comprehend the replies.
> 
> 
> He pops up here and there in various technical groups under various 
> names and has been for years. He is either mentally ill, or just 
> trolling, which I suppose also falls under the mentally ill category, 
> but either way attempting to answer his questions in any meaningful way 
> is futile.

At least he's no longer pushing his scheme to encode high quality audio 
with one bit per minute.

Jerry
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Jerry Avins wrote:
> 
> Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
>    ...
> 
> > 1. Answer to 1st paragraph of original post is transducer.
> >    As to 1st transducer you grew up with your eyes glued to it. Jerry
> >    probably didn't see one until his teens, unless hes went to 1939
> >    World's Fair.
> 
> I saw myself on television at the 1939 Worlds Fair. A microphone is a
> transducer, so are headphones and loudspeakers. believe it or not, there
> were telephones before I was born. :-)


   Sure, but they were coal fired, way back then! ;-)

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Jerry Avins wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
>   ...
> 
>> 1. Answer to 1st paragraph of original post is transducer.
>>    As to 1st transducer you grew up with your eyes glued to it. Jerry
>>    probably didn't see one until his teens, unless hes went to 1939
>>    World's Fair.
> 
> 
> I saw myself on television at the 1939 Worlds Fair. A microphone is a 
> transducer, so are headphones and loudspeakers. believe it or not, there 
> were telephones before I was born. :-)
> 
>   ...
> 
> Jerry

Ahhh Jerry, you gave it away. I was trying to get him to think - he HAS 
on occasion. I was also hoping he'd reveal just why he's interested in 
electron spatial density as a function of time. And why output as a 
frequency? {I know why a former employer had product lines that accepted 
physical process variables and emitted a pulse train as output, but why op?}

"Mark Harriss" <billy@blartco.co.uk
> wrote in message news:zP-dnQiAneshl5XXnZ2dnUVZ8o1i4p2d@westnet.com.au...
> > You being a completely moronic troll.
>
> YES!!!!!

Now there's an admission, even though I was actually referring to
GreenXenon. I doubt you could challenge him.

MrT.

Mr.T wrote:
> "Mark Harriss" <billy@blartco.co.uk
>> wrote in message news:zP-dnQiAneshl5XXnZ2dnUVZ8o1i4p2d@westnet.com.au...
>>> You being a completely moronic troll.
>> YES!!!!!
> 
> Now there's an admission, even though I was actually referring to
> GreenXenon. I doubt you could challenge him.
> 
> MrT.
> 
> 
> 
> 


Ahh T.... always trying to reinterpret stuff to suit yourself.

"Mark Harriss" <billy@blartco.co.uk> wrote in message
news:D62dncSmvI46bJXXnZ2dnUVZ8r1i4p2d@westnet.com.au...
> Ahh T.... always trying to reinterpret stuff to suit yourself.

As opposed to your creative snipping?

MrT.

Mr.T wrote:
> "Mark Harriss" <billy@blartco.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:D62dncSmvI46bJXXnZ2dnUVZ8r1i4p2d@westnet.com.au...
>> Ahh T.... always trying to reinterpret stuff to suit yourself.
> 
> As opposed to your creative snipping?
> 
> MrT.
> 
> 

On rereading that earlier reply, I made a mistake: I thought
I'd quoted you unedited, my apologies T.

"Mark Harriss" <billy@blartco.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ZdGdnVxXV-6JrZTXnZ2dnUVZ8gdi4p2d@westnet.com.au...
> On rereading that earlier reply, I made a mistake: I thought
> I'd quoted you unedited, my apologies T.

OK, consider me impressed. Not many have the guts to admit a mistake AND
make an apology.
Thanks Mark.

MrT.

Mr.T wrote:
> "Mark Harriss" <billy@blartco.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ZdGdnVxXV-6JrZTXnZ2dnUVZ8gdi4p2d@westnet.com.au...
>> On rereading that earlier reply, I made a mistake: I thought
>> I'd quoted you unedited, my apologies T.
> 
> OK, consider me impressed. Not many have the guts to admit a mistake AND
> make an apology.
> Thanks Mark.
> 
> MrT.
> 
> 

   You're welcome!