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4 total messages Started by David Tornheim Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:14
hand injuries from EMACS
#3551
Author: David Tornheim
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:14
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> I have used EMACS for about 8 years now and have sworn by it, since
> I can use it on almost every machine.  Unfortunately, I've noticed that
> my hands hurt quite a bit at the end of the day, _especially_ when
> I edit files with EMACS.  The frequent use of the CNTL key combined
> with another key is the motion that is most painful. (e.g. I use C-b and
> C-f a lot to move around within a line, since commands like M-F and
> M-B actually take longer).  Because of this, I'm seriously considering
> switching over to the evil VI editor to save my hands from permanent
> damage (no kidding!).  Is anyone else in the same boat? Does anyone
> have other suggestions?

Thanks for the many responses regarding my hand pains caused by
EMACS.

Here's a summary of the advice I was given [x = # of recommendations]:

 1) Try VIP mode in EMACS.  For GNU emacs, the command is M-x vi-mode, or
    M-x vip-mode. (found in the Miscellaeous Commands chapter)  (4x)

 2) Use the arrow keys.  (I don't since it takes too long).  (3x)

 3) Use a palm rest.  (3x)

 4)  "See if you can re-map the keys to ones that use less reach "
     and "stop using any key combinations that hurt your hands."
     Dvorak was recommended.    (3x)

 5) "learn to always use opposing hands when hitting ctrl and alt...
     (never hit ctrl and the key with the same hand)..."

 6)  Use a foot pedal for "ctrl, alt, shift, <cr>, <tab>, and <delete>"
     or some subset.  (2x)

 7) Buy a new keyboard.  A list of such is given in the FAQ of
    sci.med.occupational (2x)

 8) Take more frequent breaks, perhaps using a tool that enforces it.
    This is all covered in another FAQ in sci.med.occupational.  (2x)

 9) "Try an not use the keyboard all day - you are at a 12 times
     greater risk if you use the keyboard for more than 5 hours per day"

 10) Use a trackball in preference to a mouse.

 11) Increase the high of your chair.

 12) Use a "keyboard that requires a very light touch", and
     strive "to use the lightest touch possible"

 13) Study martial arts.

 14) Do something now before it's too late.  The consequences are
     painful and costly.

-David
Re: hand injuries from EMACS
#3553
Author: Ari I Halberstadt
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:39
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In article <1993Jan27.181411.9154@smos.com> david@smos.com (David Tornheim) writes:
(article on how to avoid damage from Emacs keyboarding)
> 13) Study martial arts.

Not all martial arts were created equal. Aikido, which I have been
forced to stop practicing, uses a lot of wrist grasps and
twisting/bending motions. It also involves a lot of rolling around,
which if not done properly can damage the shoulder and neck (wrist
injury is probably possible as well). Martial arts that involve
punching heavy bags or [padded?] opponents may also cause wrist
damage.

In addition to loss of income due to inability to work as a computer
programmer, one of the biggest problems due to my RSI has been the
loss of the ability to participate in many physical activities (e.g.,
Aikido, biking, etc.)  Swimming and hiking are some of the few
physical activities which my body would allow (hiking damaged my
knees, though). Finding fun activities that don't damage some part of
one's anatomy can be a challenge. For instance, this winter I hope to
learn scuba diving, which seems like an unlikely sport considering I
live in cold New England.
-- 
Ari Halberstadt       ari@world.std.com             #include <std/disclaimer.h>
Ramsgate (n.) All institutional buildings must, by law, contain at least twenty
ramsgates. These are doors that open the opposite way to the one you expect.
	-- D. Adams & J. Lloyd "The Meaning of Liff", p75.
Re: hand injuries from EMACS
#3572
Author: Edward J. Hartnett
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:32
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In article <C1JuEH.Mu3@world.std.com> ari@world.std.com (Ari I Halberstadt) writes:

   In article <1993Jan27.181411.9154@smos.com> david@smos.com (David Tornheim) writes:
   (article on how to avoid damage from Emacs keyboarding)
   > 13) Study martial arts.

   Not all martial arts were created equal. Aikido, which I have been
   forced to stop practicing, uses a lot of wrist grasps and
   twisting/bending motions. It also involves a lot of rolling around,
   which if not done properly can damage the shoulder and neck (wrist
   injury is probably possible as well). Martial arts that involve
   punching heavy bags or [padded?] opponents may also cause wrist
   damage.

As the one who originally suggested martial arts as a good way to keep
your muscles strong and flexible, I feel I should add in every school
and style I have studied (4 styles, maybe 10 schools) punching the
heavy bag, sparring, and punching pads with power has been a small
part of the training. Most of the training is done just punching the
air or such, and use of heavy bags, while encouraged, is not necessary
to get the benifits of martial arts. Of course, you'll want to do it
occasionally, just to get the feel, but it's not like you do it every
night, or even every week.

Also any good instructor, when informed of your medical concerns and
or problems will take care to tailor your training to get maximum
benifit and not increase your problems.

One good thing about the martial arts is that, unlike, for example,
football or jogging, there is no one part of the body that needs to be
used. You use what you have, and learn to take the most advantage of
what you have to work with. For example I knew one very advanced
student who had no right foot. It's hard to imagine any other physical
activity in which he could excell, yet it made little difference in
karate. There are styles and techniques that are appropriate for
almost any situation.

My original suggestion was not entirely serious, but I did know
another guy who's problems with carpal tunnel syndrome cleared up when
he started martial arts. MA is in general a very safe and healthful
study for people of all ages and physical conditions.

Now if only I could write a karate major mode for emacs.
--
	Don't blame me, I voted against Amendment 2!

Edward Hartnett				ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu
Re: hand injuries from EMACS
#3579
Author: Jym Dyer
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:01
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=o= I got into this thread too late to catch the stuff leading
up to the summary.

> 10) Use a trackball in preference to a mouse.

=o= Absolutely.  I've been using Emacs heavily for 13 years
now, and I've never had a problem with hand/wrist injury until
I hade to start using a mouse.  I now use Emacs for so many
things specifically to avoid the mouse.

=o= The "sticky keys" idea somehow didn't make it into the
summary.  Note that in most cases you can use an ESCAPE key
to act as a sticky META.  If anyone has hints on implementing
a sticky CONTROL key, please pass them along.

=o= The "browse mode" idea also didn't make it into the
summary (though I'd call it "view mode," myself).  I think
Emacs' "view mode" is implemented a little overbearingly,
but that's easily fixed.  Hook it up to the reading of any
readonly buffer and you've made paging through a lot simpler.
    <_Jym_>
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