🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: comp.lang.java.advocacy
Article #53

Re: Which one for Newbie (Java - Eclipse or JBuilder)

#53
From: Jon Skeet
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 07:35
24 lines
2578 bytes
Trent <trentallenblack@hotmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

>     -Eclipse is really cool, except you have to know
>       how the code.

<snip>

>     I personally use ECLIPSE now and love it, but it sure would have been
>        hard to start with (and requires a lot of typing).

This is *why* Eclipse is good. If you don't know how to code but you 
want to write programs, you should be *learning* how to code, not 
letting a GUI builder create a load of classes for you that you'd then 
not know how to maintain.

Hiding the language from newbies is a bad idea, IMO. Then again, 
learning GUI elements as a fresh newbie is also a bad idea, IMO.

-- 
Jon Skeet - <skeet@pobox.com>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet/
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too
Technical Details
Message-ID: <MPG.17a1d1b16b0dcec398b762@dnews.peramon.com>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!194.25.134.62!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsifeed02.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail
References: <JnBX8.80162$eF5.2524927@twister.austin.rr.com> <3D32F842.EC524346@geocities.com> <ImDY8.123314$q53.2997975@twister.austin.rr.com> <3D3399A2.60FE1538@geocities.com> <8mWY8.114665$eF5.3184024@twister.austin.rr.com> <ah1k6f$6v2$1@helle.btinternet.com> <55e900c9.0207161408.fb4c3b3@posting.google.com> <rs5bjuok6d7urbm0kl3pti3q18mknvsaur@4ax.com> <55e900c9.0207171640.34fdfc66@posting.google.com> <3iodjusvv6lt4l43a1kslba7vf640tul40@4ax.com> <55e900c9.0207181423.807351a@posting.google.com> <19d1da79.0207182033.565eb8e0@posting.google.com>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit
X-Google-Thread: 10cf9d,9881175998020bf0
X-Google-Attributes: gid10cf9d,public
X-Google-Thread: 10a146,9881175998020bf0
X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public
X-Google-Thread: fdb77,9881175998020bf0
X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public
X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-07-19 00:35:51 PST
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!194.25.134.62!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsifeed02.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail
From: Jon Skeet <skeet@pobox.com>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.java.programmer,borland.public.jbuilder.non-technical
Subject: Re: Which one for Newbie (Java - Eclipse or JBuilder)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:35:46 +0100
Message-ID: <MPG.17a1d1b16b0dcec398b762@dnews.peramon.com>
References: <JnBX8.80162$eF5.2524927@twister.austin.rr.com> <3D32F842.EC524346@geocities.com> <ImDY8.123314$q53.2997975@twister.austin.rr.com> <3D3399A2.60FE1538@geocities.com> <8mWY8.114665$eF5.3184024@twister.austin.rr.com> <ah1k6f$6v2$1@helle.btinternet.com> <55e900c9.0207161408.fb4c3b3@posting.google.com> <rs5bjuok6d7urbm0kl3pti3q18mknvsaur@4ax.com> <55e900c9.0207171640.34fdfc66@posting.google.com> <3iodjusvv6lt4l43a1kslba7vf640tul40@4ax.com> <55e900c9.0207181423.807351a@posting.google.com> <19d1da79.0207182033.565eb8e0@posting.google.com>
Organization: Peramon Technology Ltd.
X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.60
X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.1.3.5
X-Original-Trace: 19 Jul 2002 08:35:11 +0100, 10.1.3.5
Lines: 24
NNTP-Posting-Host: fw.peramon.com
X-Trace: 1027064150 reading.news.pipex.net 8510 193.132.195.125
X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net