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Article #64Re: Which one for Newbie (Java - Eclipse or JBuilder)
From: Chad Myers
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:39
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:39
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"Tim O'Neil" <bwana@whirrr.org> wrote in message news:uofd1vzcr.fsf@whirrr.org... > Tim Tyler <tim@tt1.org> writes: > > >In comp.lang.java.advocacy Chad Myers <cmyers@n0.s.p4.m.austin.rr.com> wrote: > >: "Ryan Breidenbach" <ryan_breidenbach@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > >:> > : Yes, but almost all editors will allow you to place spaces instead of > >:> > : tabs, still saving keystokes. > >:> > > >:> > It's not the same when outdenting. > >:> > >:> Agreed. [...] Even so, this doesn't seem to > >:> outweigh how much tabs can jack up how code looks. > > > >[...] > > > >:> This is why I can't stand tabs. > > > >: LOL, one tiny example. > > > >: For everything else, Tabs win. > > > >: So, use spaces for outdenting and tabs for everything else. > > > >: Using spaces for everything just because outdenting looks > >: better with spaces doesn't make much sense. > > This is just another shining example of why emacs is the worlds > greatest editor/ide: it replaces tabs with spaces. With one key > stroke I get a tab consisting of any number of spaces I choose > in its initialization file. And the width changes automatically > depending on the type of file I'm editing. Actually, that's why it's bad. Every serious development editor has this (event Textpad), but the problem is Emacs users abuse it. You can have a happy dev environment and one dusty emacs user that screws up everything. This was the case for me and why I have grown to hate spaces. Every file that guy touched would be horribly messed up. All indenting and alignment went out the window when he touched the file. And this was an experienced emacs user, mind you. He'd been using it for many years and was quite the lisp guru. -c
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