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In article <46o8po$f9t@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
grasser <grasser@srmc.com> wrote:
>In article <46kldv$4ma@news.cloud9.net>, tls@cloud9.net says...
>>
>>In article <46j2r1$bh4@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
>>grasser <grasser@srmc.com> wrote:
>>>In article <46hj2p$r6t@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu>, vp24njcb@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu says...
>>>>
>>>>In article <46hcd8$t18@elaine16.Stanford.EDU>, kla@leland.Stanford.EDU (Earl Mitchell) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm looking for good reliable 4GB SCSI drive for my PC.
>>>>>What should I go for the Seagate Barracuda or Quantum Grand PRix?
>>>>>The Quantums appear significantly cheaper but are they better
>>>>>or as good as the Seagates? Better meaning more reliable.
>>>
>>>
>>>lately i've been reccomending the Fujitsu or the Conner
>>>the Fujitsu has the new MR heads & is a little cheaper and
>>>the Conner is a little faster
>>
>>Yeah, on reads, I'd believe that.  The Conner can read at nearly 7MB/sec 
>>off the _slow_ edge of the disk.  But its write performance is abysmal, 
>>
>>I would not recommend the Conner.  In the same price range, I'd 
>>recommend the Quantum Grand Prix.  I am stuck with 50 of the Conners in a 
>>critical application, and believe you me, I know a lot more about them 
>>than I'd like to.
>
>i don't think so
>1. more people have complained about the Grand Prix's loudness than 
>   any drive i've ever sold
>2. i had more DOA (includes within the 1st month) Grand Prixs than 
>   any drive i've ever sold
>3. if i'm not mistaken, the Grand Pric has been discontinued 
>   in favor of the Atlas (which isn't as fast as the Conner 4207
>   even though the specs are better)

Have you actually benchmarked this extensively, or are you just saying 
that they're faster because you think so?

I don't believe the Grand Prix has been discontinued.

I have 50 Conner 4207s here, all in the same room, all essentially brand 
new, all with the _exact same_ stiction problem, which is infuriating.

They do perform quite nicely on reads, around 6.8MB/sec.  If all you ever 
use your disk for is reads, I suppose that's great.  But they only write 
at about 3.6MB/sec (all on long sustained writes), so they essentially lose,
in most real-world applications.

I have four units which have already exhibited more than five new bad blocks.

They are _not_ from the same production run.

As for the Grand Prix drives, they don't read quite as fast as the 4207 
(6.3-6.5MB/sec) but they write essentially as fast as they read, which 
means that they have exceptional write performance.  I dont' have as many 
as I do of the Conners, but I haven't seen one fail yet.  They really are 
extraordinarily loud, but I actually intend to _use_ them, not _listen_ 
to them, so I could care less.

I don't believe the Grand Prix has been discontinued, but I am interested 
by your assertion that the 4207 is faster than the Atlas; it certainly 
isn't on writes, and while I haven't extensively tested the Atlas, 
preliminary tests with the 4GB model show over 9MB/sec on many long reads,
a full 2MB/sec faster than the 4207 under the same conditions.

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Thor Lancelot Simon                                               tls@cloud9.net
 
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