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On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:45:54 +0000, Unruh wrote:

> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:
> 
>>Unruh wrote:
>>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 8<
>>>>>>>>> Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant. Having
>>>>>>>>> downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing I
>>>>>>>>> notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if
>>>>>>>>> I select use
>>>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1
>>>>>>>>> of SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as
>>>>>>>>> swap <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>> For use entire disk
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1
>>>>>>>>> of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>> as swap <<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For use largest free space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't. Does anyone
>>>>>>>>> still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions
>>>>>>>> were created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your
>>>>>>>> Win partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to
>>>>>>>> use the whole disk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a need
>>>>>>> for more warnings or just a better partitioner but that is an
>>>>>>> addition.
>>>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows
>>>>>> data. (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you
>>>>>> managed to repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it was
>>>>>> before, you could recover the data, but that is largely irrelevant
>>>>>> to almost all users. It is the partitioning that destroys the
>>>>>> ability to access the data). Thus if there is no warning on the
>>>>>> repartitioning then that is where the problem lies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions
>>>>> and then applies the changes.
>>> 
>>>> No, the user applies the changes.
>>> 
>>>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts
>>>>> up the warning about destroying data.
>>>>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I
>>>>> have not checked myself).
>>>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users
>>>>> and in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
>>> 
>>>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
>>> 
>>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost)
>>> impossible to find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing
>>> needs to be set up to allow installation by users. If the installer
>>> does not give adequate warning that things are going to be destroyed,
>>> it is the fault of the installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what
>>> warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and whether or not they are adequate.
>>> 
>>> 
> 
>>If you have no idea whether they are adequate or not, or even if they
>>are given or not, how can you even comment?
> 
> I just did. and if you read it, you notice I was commenting on the
> previous comment not giving facts about Ubuntu. Notice also the
> conditional (If) I seems from various comments that it does NOT give
> adequate warning, and the warning that was posted was certainly well
> beyond the point at which a warning should have been given. Do you have
> more information about what the warning actually is?

There have been at least 2 screenshots posted.

The original poster's:
<http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg>

And another:
<http://www.saunalahti.fi/pirisisi/test/kubuntuinstallation.png>

The second is a kubuntu install.

-- 
Rick